Hello, good people. Tonight's episode was directed by none other than Jensen Ackles. It's his first. I'm curious to see how he does and how the epsiode looks. It focuses on Bobby.
Supernatural 6x4 "Weekend at Bobby's" spoiler/discussion thread
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I guess Bobby gets country music montages.
BWA HA HA!!! The chick covered in blood from the wood chipper. 
Go boil some water.....what?
Bobby's never going to get to eat that dessert. 
That was outstanding. Mark Sheppard and Stephen Williams are made of win. 
I'd say Ackles acquitted himself nicely as a first time director. Crowley sold his soul for a bigger dick. He must be a great, great, great uncle of Brett Favre's.
I'd say Ackles acquitted himself nicely as a first time director. Crowley sold his soul for a bigger dick. He must be a great, great, great uncle of Brett Favre's. 
It's great to have an episode focused on Bobby and seeing things through his perspective in terms of his conflict with Crowley, daily life, and his relationship with Sam and Dean. I was expecting the episode to end with some kind of twist connnecting Crowley's deal with Bobby to Sam's strange behavior. Well, better luck next time.
Bobby and Rufus were priceless.
That was awful--quintessential "running on fumes, out of ideas, scraping the bottom of the barrel" episode, final season-itis in full swing.
It was all over the board--serious, silly--too many disjointed storylines. I was never a big Bobby fan so devoting an episode to him had a lot to overcome to begin with.
I liked Crowley last season in "Abandon All Hope" but his last few appearances have just cemented for me that he is one of those characters in my opinion better given up in small doses and not constantly paraded out.
I honestly used to really enjoy this show but it doesn't do anything for me anymore. That's too bad. Oh well. For me it jumped the shark.
It was all over the board--serious, silly--too many disjointed storylines. I was never a big Bobby fan so devoting an episode to him had a lot to overcome to begin with.
I liked Crowley last season in "Abandon All Hope" but his last few appearances have just cemented for me that he is one of those characters in my opinion better given up in small doses and not constantly paraded out.
I honestly used to really enjoy this show but it doesn't do anything for me anymore. That's too bad. Oh well. For me it jumped the shark.
Startrekwatcher, perhaps you had better give up. Even the haters on TWOP are calling this the funniest Supernatural episode ever. I just think the show is not for you. It is what it is. No harm done. I found Bobby refreshing when not sharing scenes with the brothers.
I am curious how much time (outside of the year earlier teaser, which I really liked) passes in this episode?
Because the tone switches a lot in this episode (though only one scene bothered me, but I hated it), but if its something that takes place overs many days or a weeks I can certainly understand it more, as a longer span of time naturally has a wide variety of tonal changes (at least mine do).
The scene I hated was Dean and Sam's fight. Sorry that was way over the top, and I almost never like that. The one exception (and its an episode I didn't like) is the point of view scenes from the first Trickster episode. Bad episode, but at least point of view scenes can be told over the top. But this isn't the case here. THis isn't shown from the perspective of someone's memory and thus isn't believable.
But besides that I actually liked that episode. Softer humor for the most part (that I do like) and most (see above rant) feeling organic from what we know of the characters and how they speak.
Don't have much time right now but there were a lot of small touches that I really enjoyed, and I really loved tying Demons back to the weaknesses of Spirits (which is funny because we also know they don't like salt and iron, something that bothers normal spirits. After all demons are just twisted spirits that when they passed, went to hell.
The only character issue that I had a problem with was Rufas. But he is also a character thats only been shown with younger hunters. And I when I worked as a bartender at the VFW I saw many examples of people that behaved much different with their similar aged fellow soldiers then how they acted around younger soldiers. So while we have never seen a softer side, it actually worked for me.
Because the tone switches a lot in this episode (though only one scene bothered me, but I hated it), but if its something that takes place overs many days or a weeks I can certainly understand it more, as a longer span of time naturally has a wide variety of tonal changes (at least mine do).
The scene I hated was Dean and Sam's fight. Sorry that was way over the top, and I almost never like that. The one exception (and its an episode I didn't like) is the point of view scenes from the first Trickster episode. Bad episode, but at least point of view scenes can be told over the top. But this isn't the case here. THis isn't shown from the perspective of someone's memory and thus isn't believable.
But besides that I actually liked that episode. Softer humor for the most part (that I do like) and most (see above rant) feeling organic from what we know of the characters and how they speak.
Don't have much time right now but there were a lot of small touches that I really enjoyed, and I really loved tying Demons back to the weaknesses of Spirits (which is funny because we also know they don't like salt and iron, something that bothers normal spirits. After all demons are just twisted spirits that when they passed, went to hell.
The only character issue that I had a problem with was Rufas. But he is also a character thats only been shown with younger hunters. And I when I worked as a bartender at the VFW I saw many examples of people that behaved much different with their similar aged fellow soldiers then how they acted around younger soldiers. So while we have never seen a softer side, it actually worked for me.
Was it me, or was the preview from last week for a different episode?
Anyway, loved this episode. Always been a fan of Bobby.
I agree with the criticisms on the phone fight scene. Bobby's a hypocrite, for I seem to recall him whining an awful lot last season, and Dean was written out of character (in my opinion) just to set up Bobby's smackdown. But otherwise a fun episode.
Anyway, loved this episode. Always been a fan of Bobby.
I agree with the criticisms on the phone fight scene. Bobby's a hypocrite, for I seem to recall him whining an awful lot last season, and Dean was written out of character (in my opinion) just to set up Bobby's smackdown. But otherwise a fun episode.
All demons were once human. That was established in season 3.
Bobby yelling at the brothers didn't disturb me at all. He's human. He was upset. He doesn't need to be mr. perfect father figure. That gets to be cliché. I like it better this way.
Bobby yelling at the brothers didn't disturb me at all. He's human. He was upset. He doesn't need to be mr. perfect father figure. That gets to be cliché. I like it better this way.
Do you just copy/paste this stuff? WHY do you watch?!
I think the preview last week was a "Here's a peek at several upcoming episodes" type of deal.
And the fast national ratings for last night (with no major pre-emptions to artificially inflate the numbers) according to Marc Berman at pifeedback.com--
The CW aired its consistent combination of Smallville (Viewers: #3, 3.18 million; A18-49: #1, 1.3/ 5) and Supernatural (Viewers: #4, 2.80 million; A18-49: #2t, 1.2/ 4), which were both above average
Better than the CW could hope for on a Friday night.
The CW aired its consistent combination of Smallville (Viewers: #3, 3.18 million; A18-49: #1, 1.3/ 5) and Supernatural (Viewers: #4, 2.80 million; A18-49: #2t, 1.2/ 4), which were both above average
Better than the CW could hope for on a Friday night.
WHile Bobby did whine a bit last season he hasn't been whining fairly often since the 2nd season. With one brother or the other has done over one issue or another since they first showed up at the end of the first season.
Bobby has called Dean and Sam down on the carpet before so thats consistent.
And here, here is the big point.
When Dean sold his soul Sam and Bobby worked all the time trying to break it. We have proof in dialogue and actual scenes of them doing this.
Bobby sells his soul and nothing. we have no evidence that either brother has attempted to help him, or even asked if Crowley had returned it.
And to make matters worse one them very likely has the power to absolutely make Crowley give him his soul back, easily. Nor does that persons (how shall we put it) questionable morality indicate he would have a problem with it. And we absolutely know from episodes Sam can handle vast quantities of demon blood and when knowing all the facts and not being lied to by Heaven and Hell he has managed to be true to himself. Sure he has to go through a seriously painful (both physical and emotional) withdrawal but it doesn't actually harm him long term.
So yeah, Bobby has ever reason to read them both the riot act.
I watch it for the same reason why I watched TNG in S7 or Roseanne in her last few horrible seasons or DALLAS when it got a little long in the tooth or nBSG when it started sucking or when TXF fell off in quality in season 6 or LOST in season 6 or any other number of shows that came off the rails because at one time I actually really enjoyed the show and was invested in the characters so out of momentum and curiosity of how it will end I continued to watch until the bitter end. Same for SN.
Now if I didn't like a show pretty much from the start and was never invested in it then I stop watching fairly quickly and don't bother watching or posting about it since I was never really attached to it i.e. Caprica, V, Flash Forward, Invasion, Surface, Haven, Eureka, Warehouse 13, SG-1, No Ordinary Family, Nikita etc etc.
It just seems to be a reality of television for shows to tend to go on past their shelf life and become a shell of their former selves. SN was never a truly great show--it was too uneven for that-- but it was a nice little show that I enjoyed in stretches-S1, portions of S2 and especially S4--but ever since S5 and now this season so far it just feels like it isn't trying except every once in a while. So in that regard it feels kinda like VOY where you would have stretches of mediocre stuff then you'd hit upon a really nice strong episode.
I also haven't enjoyed the continued increase in adding the lighter comedic elements and a drift towards overt parodying and meta-commentary in recent years in some misguided attempt or edict passed down from CW to morph it into a silly teen scary movie, the repetitive and continued angst between the brothers is growing tiresome at this stage, the stale supernatural beings/plots of the week, the tensionless jeopardy that comes near the end of each episode where you know the guys will be perfectly fine and has become to me the equivalent of the tacked on action quota that was evident in VOY/ENT. It just seems they are futilely grasping at ideas to fuel these last few seasons. Plus Jared's acting hasn't been all that great recently either.
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