Superman

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  1. Kai "the spy"

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  2. The Realist

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    It’s a different movie in fundamental ways.
     
  3. Guy Gardener

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    There's a four hour cut of Season one Smallville online, somewhere

    No meteor freaks.

    Just Clark developing his powers and the Indian caves stuff.
     
  4. Tosk

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    Seasons one and two then, presumably. I don't think the cave stuff came up until two.
     
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  6. theenglish

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    It is fundamentally different and, in many ways, an improved version, but with a caveat:

    It was not intended to work with the version of Superman the Movie that we got. There is a repeat of certain elements that were not intended to be in the first movie. Also, it is an unfinished product. It is meant to be watched to give you an idea of what could have been and not as a final, finished product. There are several scenes that just do not work knowing what happened in the previous finished film and there are also scenes that don't have the post production quality. It is meant to be watched as a draft version for fans only, to see what might have been possible.
     
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  7. Guy Gardener

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    Its been so long since I've watched thew 70s movies, that I doubt that the changes will register.

    Lursa is a pedophile?

    Why is Zod working with her?

    I think Miss Tessmacher is a Kryptonian, or a robot working for Jor-El.

    She diverts the missile to the Phantom Zone, freeing Zod.

    Then leads Luthor to the Fortress, where Jor-El hands out marching orders.

    Holy shit!

    Lois shot Clark!

    What a fucking psycho!

    Lois is Winnie the Pooh-ing it, Superman Uniform top, no bottoms, around the fortress. Hasn't she seen a Christmas Story? Sitting down bare assed anywhere, that sex organ of hers is going to get stuck to a surface.

    Jor-El gave her the stink eye.

    That doesn't make sense. These are recordings, and Kal is Genetically predisposed to ask the right questions.

    That ending!

    WTF!??

    He turns back time?

    How many people did Zod kill off Camera, or did Clark just want the Washington Monument back? meanwhile if time works that old timelines survive and he hadn't killed Zod, Lursa and Non, then he just left America alone and undefended alone with those three, who can probably figure out how to get their powers back in not too much time.

    I suppose he gets the Fortress back.

    It's a new timeline.

    Beating up the bully makes no sense.

    It's a minority report.
     
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  8. cooleddie74

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    Ursa, not Lursa.

    Lursa was the Duras sister in Trek. ;)
     
  9. Guy Gardener

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    Deathwalker.
     
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  10. The Realist

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    So, I think many would agree that among the defining qualities of Superman as a character is that he is inspirational, aspirational, hopeful, affirming.

    Of all the versions of Superman out there, there is one in particular that I personally don't care for. Anybody who has read and retained more than a dozen of my posts in recent years probably knows which one it is. And a big part of my dislike for that version is that he seems to me to lack -- even actively reject -- the character's fundamental positivity and optimism.

    But then I read this article:

    https://medium.com/@AmandaKP/how-zack-snyder-henry-cavill-and-hans-zimmer-saved-my-life-45ecfe806373

    I find it really interesting and instructive that a Superman who doesn't speak to me at all, speaks to someone else in such a life-changing -- even life-saving -- way. Maybe it's an essential power of the character, more even than flight or super-strength, that he can find some way to speak to everyone.

    Commentator David Mann has suggested that the DCEU Superman is passionately loved by viewers for whom he represents "an honest depiction of many peoples’ experience in a cruel world, and the first superhero to popularly stand for them in the context of that world." Maybe to embrace a "traditional" Superman requires a baseline hopefulness and optimism that not everyone can muster, and which some reflexively reject, but they find their own kind of truth and inspiration in the DCEU's take? If so, maybe he has his place and purpose after all, even if he's not the Superman for me -- as long as he's the Superman for someone.
     
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    Quite the opposite, really. Ursa hates pretty much everybody.
     
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  12. Tosk

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    I'm a cynical asshole and I love "traditional" Superman.
     
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    They went to earth 75 in Crisis but no one was singing.

     
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  14. Ovation

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    Or...maybe one can embrace different takes on Superman simultaneously and not need to be exceedingly optimistic OR pessimistic—just a regular blend of each depending on circumstances?

    Just a thought.
     
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  15. Guy Gardener

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    If drunky Cigarette Kryptonite Superman had still been around for Quest for Peace?

    He would have told that kid to suck it.

    Actually was cigarette Kryptonite Superman actually drunk or was he just pretending?

    I did notice Kal making a big deal of getting Lois drunk before he took her up stairs and made her wear his super suit.... Oh god. She was dressed up as Superman, because it was cold obviously, unless it was some sex game where she saved him from stupid Lois catastrophe roleplay?

    "Save me Superman! Save me!"

    So Clark was in Lois' clothes while she was in his, and then they did it?

    Sweet.
     
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  16. Kai "the spy"

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    Dan Murrell is back with Superman Month on his Schmoedown podcast All My Movies taking a look at Superman Returns:
     
  17. Sci

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    Side note:

    I rewatched several episodes of Superman: The Animated Series, the 1996 sequel series to Batman: The Animated Series, since it just premiered on HBO Max. I watched multi-part arcs, "The Last Son of Krypton" and "World's Finest." They essentially touch upon the same territory as Man of Steel and Batman v Superman twenty years later. The voice performances from the entire cast are great -- Dana Delany and Clancy Brown are the definitive Lois Lane and Lex Luthor, respectively. And of course Kevin Conroy is the One True Batman.

    But I realized that as much as Christopher Reeve is the definitive live-action Superman for me, when I'm reading the comics, I tend to hear Tim Daly's voice moreso than Reeve's. So I guess for me, the One True Superman is some kind of mental composite of Christopher Reeve and Tim Daly.
     
  18. Tosk

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    Personally, my mental image of Superman's animated voice has shifted more to George Newbern, who I thought did a pretty good job taking up the mantle from Daly.
     
  19. crookeddy

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    Does anyone know how superman 1 would have ended had plans for 2 not changed?
     
  20. Skipper

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    This is an excellent question.

    Anyone?