Spoilers "Superman & Lois" Season 3

[Jayson1]

I think Lex Luthor can be a brute but to do that we also need to see his intelligence at work as well. He basically needs to be the smartest person in the room almost all the time even if he is also filled lots of rage for his time in prison. It's kind of interesting if the more he keeps beating Superman from stopping his plans the more we see him loose that anger We usually see baddies get more and more angry but with him we could see the reverse as he slowly gets his old life back and also feels like he is on the brink of finally killing Superman. I am also thinking they can take the Tony Soprano route with him. Tony wasn't just a brute. He was pretty smart and cunning as well.

 

[The Realist]

Superman & Lois won the Saturn Award for Best Superhero Television Series last night (beating out Doom Patrol, The Flash, The Sandman, Secret Invasion, She-Hulk: Attorney at Law, and Stargirl).

 

[Jayson1]

I don't know how The Flash and Secret Invasion even got nominated but it was a worthy win for the show.

 

[Skipper]

I don't know how The Flash and Secret Invasion even got nominated but it was a worthy win for the show.

I think simply there aren't that many Superhero shows out there. They put in the bare minimum to make a shortlist of candidates. I mean, it's not like "Best Comedy Series" where you have to make a selection of nominees first.

 

[Christopher]

I think simply there aren't that many Superhero shows out there. They put in the bare minimum to make a shortlist of candidates. I mean, it's not like "Best Comedy Series" where you have to make a selection of nominees first.

Yeah, I was surprised to see they even have a specific category for that. Just putting it under SF/fantasy would seem more appropriate. (Also, calling Sandman a superhero show seems like stretching the definition quite a bit.)

 

[Set Harth]

unless what they really meant was comic book based.

 

[Skipper]

unless what they really meant was comic book based.

In the comics he had a couple of bonafide encounters with DC superhero. But, yes, it's a little stretched.
Are there other American series based on non-superhero comics? (in other countries it is more common). I only remember Y: The Last Man and I-Zombie but they are both concluded.

 

[Skipper]

Yeah, I was surprised to see they even have a specific category for that. Just putting it under SF/fantasy would seem more appropriate. (Also, calling Sandman a superhero show seems like stretching the definition quite a bit.)

I generally agree, but sometimes the super-heroic genre has particularities. For example The Punisher (yes I know he cannot be defined as a super-hero, just a little patience for the example): honestly it would be really difficult for me to say that this series falls into the great category of SF / Fantasy.

 

[Christopher]

Are there other American series based on non-superhero comics? (in other countries it is more common). I only remember Y: The Last Man and I-Zombie but they are both concluded.

I'd say Constantine and Lucifer would count, though Constantine, like Sandman, is often superhero-adjacent. The Walking Dead, Preacher, Y: The Last Man, Timecop, Resident Alien, Wynonna Earp (though that's borderline), V Wars, etc.

There was Disney+'s American Born Chinese, though I'd say the TV version was much more of a superhero story than the comic was, because it drew a lot more on Journey to the West and had a ton more action in it. Arguably the Monkey King is a superhero -- a literary character who has superhuman powers and uses them to fight evil (though his amorality and sense of humor put him firmly at the Deadpool end of the superhero spectrum). Westerners tend to mistake him for an ancient mythological figure, but Journey to the West was a novel contemporary with Shakespeare's early works.

 

[Skipper]

I'd say Constantine and Lucifer would count, though Constantine, like Sandman, is often superhero-adjacent. The Walking Dead, Preacher, Y: The Last Man, Timecop, Resident Alien, Wynonna Earp (though that's borderline), V Wars, etc.

There was Disney+'s American Born Chinese, though I'd say the TV version was much more of a superhero story than the comic was, because it drew a lot more on Journey to the West and had a ton more action in it. Arguably the Monkey King is a superhero -- a literary character who has superhuman powers and uses them to fight evil (though his amorality and sense of humor put him firmly at the Deadpool end of the superhero spectrum). Westerners tend to mistake him for an ancient mythological figure, but Journey to the West was a novel contemporary with Shakespeare's early works.

I tried to see on the Saturn website how these series were classified, but damn!, it looks like it was made in the 90s! It's unusable!!!
https://www.saturnawards.org/The-Saturn-Awards-Past-Winners.php

 

[Skipper]

Ok I used the Wikipedia page. I found that the award for "Best Superhero Series" isn't given out every year. In that case the superhero series are merged into the "Best Science Fiction Series" category.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saturn_Award_for_Best_Superhero_Television_Series
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saturn_Award_for_Best_Science_Fiction_Television_Series

 

[Skipper]

By the way, these are the nominees for Saturn Award for Best Fantasy Film.
Indiana Jones and the Dial of Destiny
Barbie
Dungeons & Dragons: Honor Among Thieves
Haunted Mansion
The Little Mermaid

The winner is "Indiana Jones and the Dial of Destiny". I... don't completely agree with the judgment.

 

[Christopher]

I've always found awards meaningless. The way that "winners" and even nominees are picked is so arbitrary that it can't be taken as a real measure of quality. And why does there even have to be a winner? Why not just honor everything worthwhile instead of manufacturing an arbitrary competition?

 

[The Realist]

Awards are meaningless except when your favorite wins.

 

[Christopher]

Awards are meaningless except when your favorite wins.

I've inherited my father's reluctance to pick a single favorite in a category. There can be a number of things I enjoy in different ways, and picking just one as the "winner" seems as arbitrary to me in my personal preferences as it does in awards ceremonies. And of course, one's taste can shift over time.

 

[Jayson1]

By the way, these are the nominees for Saturn Award for Best Fantasy Film.
Indiana Jones and the Dial of Destiny
Barbie
Dungeons & Dragons: Honor Among Thieves
Haunted Mansion
The Little Mermaid

The winner is "Indiana Jones and the Dial of Destiny". I... don't completely agree with the judgment.

Barbie is the best movie on this list. Also most popular I would say in general. Surprised it didn't win.

 

[TREK_GOD_1]

Superman & Lois won the Saturn Award for Best Superhero Television Series last night (beating out Doom Patrol, The Flash, The Sandman, Secret Invasion, She-Hulk: Attorney at Law, and Stargirl).

I could not imagine a superior series in that category above Superman and Lois. The win was well deserved.

Awards are meaningless except when your favorite wins.

Quite true. Awards are ever connected to competition, which is a natural human function of / desire in life--to achieve in / measured against a chosen field, so there's no cause for head-scratching over the existence and purpose of award shows, even if a favorite does not win or never receives a nomination.

 

[Nerys Myk]

unless what they really meant was comic book based.

One would think an SF Award organization would know the difference.

 

[Mr. Adventure]

I would expect that a SF Award organization wouldn't be able to come to a consensus over the definition.

 

[Commander Troi]

I am happy S&L won an award for season 3. They deserved it, no matter how it's defined.