It doesn't have to mean the end. A more likely reason for this show ending after this coming season is the mediocre ratings.
Spoilers "Superman & Lois" Season 2
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Nary a peep has been heard out of either project in months. Given the post-Discovery HBO Max purges and the resurgent interest in Cavill, my guess is that both are dead.
Jayson1 wasn't asking about S&L (despite his choice of thread).
At present, the Jordan project may be in some stage of production, and clearly, it will exist in its own universe, like Joker, etc., but it will come as no shock if any idea of another Superman--in the shadow of Cavill's return to the DCEU--rockets alternate Superman projects from the launchpad of Development Hell right into the trash can.
On the movie side, characters and narratives appear to be continuing. On the TV side, many of the productions were--or will be cancelled in any case, which was going to happen long before the hiring of Safran/Gunn or the merger, so if WB+D is in a "straightening of the ship" mode, the TV series already falling away one by one is a benefit / convenience to help that process.
Well everyone's favourite CEO made it clear today that they won't be having multiple versions of the same character going forward.
"Disney did a wonderful job with Marvel. But if you looked at Marvel and DC ten years ago, you would have said DC is as good or better. But Marvel is a connected universe. It has a ‘bible.’ All of Marvel is one place. You don’t wake up and find that there has been a Batman TV show someplace.”
"Disney did a wonderful job with Marvel. But if you looked at Marvel and DC ten years ago, you would have said DC is as good or better. But Marvel is a connected universe. It has a ‘bible.’ All of Marvel is one place. You don’t wake up and find that there has been a Batman TV show someplace.”
There doesn't seem to be any coherent throughline from one sentence to the next there. What is the CEO (I take it you mean Zaslav) even saying?
He cuts to the chase in another quote: “There’s not going to be four Batmans.”.
https://www.indiewire.com/2022/11/david-zaslav-james-gunn-dc-studios-batman-superman-1234782421/
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“The strategy that Igor put together was all Marvels in one place. You don’t wake up and find out that there’s a Batman TV show somewhere and a Batman cartoon somewhere else, they all have to relate to each other,” Zaslav said. “There has to be a look and feel for all of it. And so, I went on a journey a few months ago of, ‘How do I put all of DC in one place?’ ‘Cause I think it’s one of the biggest opportunities at this company.”
I wish I could find his talk unedited but all I'm finding right now is various reporting.
EDIT: found it, posted it in the DC movies thread
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Ugh, he's making the same lazy mistake that every other studio has made -- just copy Marvel and expect it to work. This has been the shared stupidity of Hollywood executives going back generations. Every time one thing is a hit, everyone else tries to copy it, and most of the copies fail miserably. And yet the execs never realize this, never figure out that quality is not about what you do, but how well you do it. And doing something well means doing it your own way, not just imitating someone else.
DC's film output over the last decade has been wildly inconsistent in quality (though more consistent in the last half-decade than the first), but when its films have worked, they've worked because they've been their own independent things with their own distinctive voices. The fact that DC films are not as centralized or unified as the MCU has been their strength, not their weakness. It's what's let them stand out as their own thing, an alternative to Marvel rather than just an imitation of it. But as usual, Zaslav thinks he has to fix what isn't broken. This guy is doing to Warner Bros. what Musk is doing to Twitter.
DC's film output over the last decade has been wildly inconsistent in quality (though more consistent in the last half-decade than the first), but when its films have worked, they've worked because they've been their own independent things with their own distinctive voices. The fact that DC films are not as centralized or unified as the MCU has been their strength, not their weakness. It's what's let them stand out as their own thing, an alternative to Marvel rather than just an imitation of it. But as usual, Zaslav thinks he has to fix what isn't broken. This guy is doing to Warner Bros. what Musk is doing to Twitter.
Since Joker and Patt-man will have sequels, they will likely be the lone exceptions to the rule of centralizing DC's filmed content. Zaslav is--correctly--pointing out:
"But if you had looked at Marvel and DC 10 years ago, 12 years ago, you would have said that DC is as good or better."
In the DC movie thread, I believed he was more or less correct. The movies (MOS / BVS/ SS / WW) were consistent, strong and building a universe with a voice of its own. Meanwhile, DC had IPs all over TV (largely misused), which were never going to have an association with the films (thankfully), so to some, DC did not appear to have one, solid universe. Then again, Marvel did not have that in the beginning as well, with the Netflix characters and series never referenced in the MCU (Daredevil & his alter-ego barely appeared in two productions this year), and numerous contradictions with the plots of the network series in relation to the movies, so Marvel took quite awhile to get on the same path.
I loved having four Batmans. It's called a multiverse, look it up. Marvel's doing it now so hopefully he'll catch on.
Sometimes all they seem to do is play catch-up with Marvel. Avengers makes 1.5 billion, next thing you know DC is sending people into comic book stores and planning to do team-up movies. And this is how the original version of Justice League got ruined. Haul Snyder in and tell him to make the product exactly like the competition's product. Because that's usually how the business world works. "They're eating our lunch, they obviously found the magic formula that the public wants, so your job is to make our product just like their product." I'm sure Snyder walked out of that meeting thinking something like "When they see the film they'll understand what I'm trying to do." And now it sounds like they're looking enviously at the shared continuity Marvel has had going on for the last 14 years.
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What DC needs to do is hire directors more willing to play ball and share with others, instead of ones who are obsessed with having things be standalone with no connection.
Because really, there have to directors with talent and skill who are fine with the expanded universe concept.
I think it's better to just make good movies and then tie them together if they can. Sometimes all you need is a post credit scene. This idea you need tons of crossovers and ongoing story ideas are wrong. People still need to enjoy a movie without needing to see like 5 other movies for the plot to make sense.
Careful. Disney might come after you for that.
Feels a little premature to start a Season 3 thread just yet, so I'm going to leave these links here. Two videos with Chad L. Coleman talking about his upcoming role as Bruno Mannheim:
https://www.reddit.com/r/SupermanAn...l_coleman_talks_about_playing_bruno_mannheim/
(The S&L stuff starts about 31 minutes into the second video.)
Coleman is certainly setting the expectations bar high with how extravagantly he's praising the role and the production. And the reference to socio-political content is music to my ears, even if the interviewer in the second clip is all like, "Oh noes."
Themes that are relevant to the real world put meat on the superhero bones. That approach served Black Lightning enormously well, and made Supergirl's fourth season its best. S&L has had a touch of it here and there, especially in the first season, but some well-developed topicality could make an already great show even better.
https://www.reddit.com/r/SupermanAn...l_coleman_talks_about_playing_bruno_mannheim/
(The S&L stuff starts about 31 minutes into the second video.)
Coleman is certainly setting the expectations bar high with how extravagantly he's praising the role and the production. And the reference to socio-political content is music to my ears, even if the interviewer in the second clip is all like, "Oh noes."
Themes that are relevant to the real world put meat on the superhero bones. That approach served Black Lightning enormously well, and made Supergirl's fourth season its best. S&L has had a touch of it here and there, especially in the first season, but some well-developed topicality could make an already great show even better.
And the MCU Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness (which showed multiple versions of the same characters) really did horribly didn't it.. oh wait...
How many of the versions of said characters you have isn't a problem. It's telling an interesting narrative that people like and follow; and also doing versions of the characters that people like and want to watch. The ladder that the folks at Warner Brothers seem to have a problem with when it comes to DC characters in their cinema outings.
(By contrast the DC CW superhero shows saw great critical success for practically a decade. Yes they're in decline now but that doesn't alter the fact that for a long time they were quite successful and amassed a large viewership.)
Also expecting every superheroe film to be a blockbuster just because it has certain characters in it is ridiculous. If the MCU had followed What Warner Brothers has been doing, the MCU would have been dead after The Incredible Hulk and/or Captain America The First Avenger
The third season premiere of Superman & Lois is not happening until Tuesday, March 14.
https://deadline.com/2022/12/gotham...uperman-lois-season-3-date-the-cw-1235199275/
Hopefully, this will at least mean a less erratic schedule with fewer breaks when the show finally does return.
The announcement comes with a season blurb that manages to be really long while also being super-generic and revealing almost nothing:
Think this may be a new photo, too?
In other possible news ... I don't know how reliable That Hashtag Show is (if at all), but they claim S&L is casting a new Lex Luthor:
https://thathashtagshow.com/2022/12...-to-superman-and-lois-season-three-exclusive/
I really loved Jon Cryer's Lex on Supergirl, and I would have been very interested to see him bring a more subdued and sinister take to S&L, in keeping with this show's tone. OTOH, I'm open to a recasting too, if the report is true and that's how they choose to go.
ETA: Cryer seemingly confirms a new Luthor is coming:
And the news does not quit today -- here's another new photo:
https://deadline.com/2022/12/gotham...uperman-lois-season-3-date-the-cw-1235199275/
Hopefully, this will at least mean a less erratic schedule with fewer breaks when the show finally does return.
The announcement comes with a season blurb that manages to be really long while also being super-generic and revealing almost nothing:
Think this may be a new photo, too?
In other possible news ... I don't know how reliable That Hashtag Show is (if at all), but they claim S&L is casting a new Lex Luthor:
https://thathashtagshow.com/2022/12...-to-superman-and-lois-season-three-exclusive/
I really loved Jon Cryer's Lex on Supergirl, and I would have been very interested to see him bring a more subdued and sinister take to S&L, in keeping with this show's tone. OTOH, I'm open to a recasting too, if the report is true and that's how they choose to go.
ETA: Cryer seemingly confirms a new Luthor is coming:
And the news does not quit today -- here's another new photo:
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