I get a different impression so far. I believe Sarah is not a lesbian--she just made out with another girl. She does need a good friend that is not Jordan.
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I get a different impression so far. I believe Sarah is not a lesbian--she just made out with another girl. She does need a good friend that is not Jordan.
I'm not denying that; I'm speaking from more of a long-term perspective, and a storytelling perspective. I just think it would be too soap-operaish and unfair to Kyle and Sarah as characters if this plot thread ended up with Lana getting a divorce and/or hooking up with John Henry. I see it more as an obstacle they need to work through before reuniting as a family, not an excuse to break them apart for good.
I don't think Jayson is talking about whether Sarah is a lesbian, just about whether she's better off with Jordan or Aubrey. People have relationships with individuals, not with entire genders.
Adam and Eve did.
In the firefighting scene in this episode, you can see that Kyle's helmet is still labeled as chief. Plus he's giving orders to the other firefighters.
My impression was he was building enough speed and momentum to break through before the portal transit could kill him.
That's what I figured, but then, why not just fly out of the mines (evacuating the remaining cult member) and fly back in again, the same way he came in to begin with?
Gotcha! Agreed.
So this is a little fun while we wait for the show's return on Tuesday:
Well, he did that this episode lol
Superman and Lois
Season 2 - Episode 10 - "Bizarros in a Bizarro World"
Clark/SM/BizarroLand: SM flies to the square Bizarro world's fortress, where he views a holo-message , "The rise and fall of our hero, Kal-El". Holo-mama vouches for Super-Bizarro, saying he was just trying to set things right, but continues to add Ally's "merging" stunt will not succeed as humans could not take a union with beings of that level.
Alt-Jonathan meets SM, informing him of how Ally conned citizens to buy into her merging/salvation BS. The teen offers Kryptonite as a way of powering SM up (not knowing what it would do to him). Alt-Jonathan reveals he did not get along with his father, and snaps a Alt-Lois when she appears, trying to defend that world's SM. He blurts out "you didn't disappear like I told you!" --behavior shocking SM.
Alt-SM's story /flashback: The Kents rife in a limousine, bickering over SM's fame and poor family relations. Arriving at some sort of function, SM is greeted by crowd of screaming fans--and he's too happy to dive right into the "love." Of course, he's too distracted to see / help person falling from a building--but Alt-Jonathan is, using his powers of flight for the first time, and gaining the attention of the crowds. SM intends to take him under his wing--in a limited capacity (much to Lois' disapproval). Apparently on this world, Jordan lacks super-powers, a condition Alt-Jonathan is all too willing to use to needle the boy.
Days later, SM takes Alt-Jonathan on missions, training him, and eventually, he becomes something of a star, making the talk show rounds, mobbed by fans, etc. Ah, but there's trouble in paradise, as he clashes with SM, accusing him of never being around to be a real parent--at least until his powers developed (SEE NOTES). SM is incensed (actually a bit threatening). Blowing off his parents, he leaves to meet his girlfriend...who introduces him to Ally--ready and willing to show him something that would change everything he knows about himself, or so she says...
The present: Alt-Lois warns AM not to tell Alt-Jonathan anything, triggering the teen to violently run into her, sending his mother crashing to floor. He turns with glowing blue eyes, demanding to know the location of the pendants...
Alt-Lois' story / flashback: Lois is in the middle of a screaming match with SM, bags packed and leaving with Jordan. He justifies his fame and celebrity goings-on as part of the hero job, adding he's neglected Jordan who is pretty much unrecognizable to her.
At Sam's HQ, Alt-Lana and Alt-Jonathan waltz their way in, demanding the pendants, hitting Sam, and threatening to kill Lois, hitting Sam. A turncoat leads the cult members to one of the pendants...
The present: Alt-Jonathan beats SM (weakened by the red sun), demanding the location of Anderson and the pendants or he will "end up" like his own father. With that, someone catches the teen's attention--that person being a pendant-wearing Anderson.
Anderson's story / flashback: His journey--from stealing the pendant to traveling to the Bizarro world is recounted, inducing his arrival, realizing he was duped by Ally all along, and his search for Lois. Eventually, Chrissy sends Anderson to a safe house to meet Lois, Sam and Jordan, who make tracks to avoid detection by Ally...but not before a guilt-ridden Anderson informs Jordan about his father's fate.
The present: Anderson attacks Alt-Jonathan, knocking him out, and to SM's surprise says SM was right--Ally cannot obtain the pendants.
With Alt-Jonathan tied up; Anderson is humbled that SM still agrees to help him return to earth after all of the trouble he's caused, but he also learns SM is Kent (SEE NOTES).
Outside, Ally and her Alt version, along wit Alt-Lana, Alt-Bro, and a free Alt-Jonathan threaten SM if he does not give up the pendants. Anderson attacks Alt-Jonathan, while Alt-Bro easily beats the weakened SM. Its not long before Alt-Jonathan overpowers, then murders Anderson, and the Allys--now with the pendants--merge.
Alt-Tal-Bro's story / flashback: yeah, in yet another flashback, Kal-El tells Bro Lois is pregnant, and that he's he's moving the family to Smallville. He also meets a sultry Lana working in the bar...
Time-jump to the wedding of Tal-Bro and Lana...
Time-jump again to the aftermath of Lois and Jordan's departure, where Bro tries to counsel SM, who believes his stopping Ally would coax Lois and Jordan into returning, but Bro is more interested in maintaining his loyalty to Ally....
The present: Bro places SM in a chokehold, as the Allys send Alt-Jonathan to earth to recruit more culties. Because its plot convenient (in a story where established enemies are now sympathetic...or that was the intention...on a world that is upside-down in every conceivable way), Bro has change of heart and releases SM...
Earth / the present: Alt-Jonathan arrives, pendant in hand. Lois instantly knows the teen is not her son, as the real Jonathan walks up...
NOTES:
Anderson discovered SM's secret, but that's not going anywhere thanks to...death.
Alt-Jonathan claimed SM never cared about him until he developed powers, the implication being SM probably did not look at his sons in any favorable light because they were more human than Kryptonian.
Next week, the family drama heats up, as Clark seems to share as fractured a family as his Bizarro world counterpart.
GRADE: C.
Season 2 - Episode 10 - "Bizarros in a Bizarro World"
Clark/SM/BizarroLand: SM flies to the square Bizarro world's fortress, where he views a holo-message , "The rise and fall of our hero, Kal-El". Holo-mama vouches for Super-Bizarro, saying he was just trying to set things right, but continues to add Ally's "merging" stunt will not succeed as humans could not take a union with beings of that level.
Alt-Jonathan meets SM, informing him of how Ally conned citizens to buy into her merging/salvation BS. The teen offers Kryptonite as a way of powering SM up (not knowing what it would do to him). Alt-Jonathan reveals he did not get along with his father, and snaps a Alt-Lois when she appears, trying to defend that world's SM. He blurts out "you didn't disappear like I told you!" --behavior shocking SM.
Alt-SM's story /flashback: The Kents rife in a limousine, bickering over SM's fame and poor family relations. Arriving at some sort of function, SM is greeted by crowd of screaming fans--and he's too happy to dive right into the "love." Of course, he's too distracted to see / help person falling from a building--but Alt-Jonathan is, using his powers of flight for the first time, and gaining the attention of the crowds. SM intends to take him under his wing--in a limited capacity (much to Lois' disapproval). Apparently on this world, Jordan lacks super-powers, a condition Alt-Jonathan is all too willing to use to needle the boy.
Days later, SM takes Alt-Jonathan on missions, training him, and eventually, he becomes something of a star, making the talk show rounds, mobbed by fans, etc. Ah, but there's trouble in paradise, as he clashes with SM, accusing him of never being around to be a real parent--at least until his powers developed (SEE NOTES). SM is incensed (actually a bit threatening). Blowing off his parents, he leaves to meet his girlfriend...who introduces him to Ally--ready and willing to show him something that would change everything he knows about himself, or so she says...
The present: Alt-Lois warns AM not to tell Alt-Jonathan anything, triggering the teen to violently run into her, sending his mother crashing to floor. He turns with glowing blue eyes, demanding to know the location of the pendants...
Alt-Lois' story / flashback: Lois is in the middle of a screaming match with SM, bags packed and leaving with Jordan. He justifies his fame and celebrity goings-on as part of the hero job, adding he's neglected Jordan who is pretty much unrecognizable to her.
At Sam's HQ, Alt-Lana and Alt-Jonathan waltz their way in, demanding the pendants, hitting Sam, and threatening to kill Lois, hitting Sam. A turncoat leads the cult members to one of the pendants...
The present: Alt-Jonathan beats SM (weakened by the red sun), demanding the location of Anderson and the pendants or he will "end up" like his own father. With that, someone catches the teen's attention--that person being a pendant-wearing Anderson.
Anderson's story / flashback: His journey--from stealing the pendant to traveling to the Bizarro world is recounted, inducing his arrival, realizing he was duped by Ally all along, and his search for Lois. Eventually, Chrissy sends Anderson to a safe house to meet Lois, Sam and Jordan, who make tracks to avoid detection by Ally...but not before a guilt-ridden Anderson informs Jordan about his father's fate.
The present: Anderson attacks Alt-Jonathan, knocking him out, and to SM's surprise says SM was right--Ally cannot obtain the pendants.
With Alt-Jonathan tied up; Anderson is humbled that SM still agrees to help him return to earth after all of the trouble he's caused, but he also learns SM is Kent (SEE NOTES).
Outside, Ally and her Alt version, along wit Alt-Lana, Alt-Bro, and a free Alt-Jonathan threaten SM if he does not give up the pendants. Anderson attacks Alt-Jonathan, while Alt-Bro easily beats the weakened SM. Its not long before Alt-Jonathan overpowers, then murders Anderson, and the Allys--now with the pendants--merge.
Alt-Tal-Bro's story / flashback: yeah, in yet another flashback, Kal-El tells Bro Lois is pregnant, and that he's he's moving the family to Smallville. He also meets a sultry Lana working in the bar...
Time-jump to the wedding of Tal-Bro and Lana...
Time-jump again to the aftermath of Lois and Jordan's departure, where Bro tries to counsel SM, who believes his stopping Ally would coax Lois and Jordan into returning, but Bro is more interested in maintaining his loyalty to Ally....
The present: Bro places SM in a chokehold, as the Allys send Alt-Jonathan to earth to recruit more culties. Because its plot convenient (in a story where established enemies are now sympathetic...or that was the intention...on a world that is upside-down in every conceivable way), Bro has change of heart and releases SM...
Earth / the present: Alt-Jonathan arrives, pendant in hand. Lois instantly knows the teen is not her son, as the real Jonathan walks up...
NOTES:
Anderson discovered SM's secret, but that's not going anywhere thanks to...death.
Alt-Jonathan claimed SM never cared about him until he developed powers, the implication being SM probably did not look at his sons in any favorable light because they were more human than Kryptonian.
Next week, the family drama heats up, as Clark seems to share as fractured a family as his Bizarro world counterpart.
GRADE: C.
Lol at the Rounded Cube Earths & Red Sun in Bizzaro World with all the letters written backwards and the vowels pronounced backwards.
IMDB just doesn't know how many episodes there are, so they're probably putting them up one at a time.
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A decent episode, though I'm not a fan of the whole Bizarro-Earth business, and having it explicitly be cubic was something I could've done without. It's just too nonsensical. No material could maintain that shape under the pull of gravity, and if it did, then gravity would still pull in toward the center and the faces would feel sloped except at their centers. Also, the air and water would settle toward the centers of the faces and the points would just be vast barren mountains sticking out into airless space. It's just too stupid even by the flexible physics of the Arrowverse. It's the sort of nonsense that's a better fit for Legends of Tomorrow than the grim, ultraserious show this has become.
It was interesting seeing an alternate version of Superman's life, one where he apparently had no secret identity but still somehow ended up with Lois. But parts of it felt too much like an excuse for the writers to indulge their desire for dark, depressing melodrama by letting Superman and Lois have a dysfunctional family in a way they can't in the Prime reality, and I could've done without seeing that.
On the other hand, it was nice to see Tal-Rho as a loving, supportive brother to Kal-El at last, and ultimately redeeming himself.
Plus we finally get what I've wanted all along, a nuanced Anderson who realizes he's been wrong about Superman and redeems himself, and he gets killed five minutes later. I was hoping he'd get back to Earth-Prime and be an ongoing ally for Superman.
And I agree with thribs that it was an oversight not to show how Bizarro Kal-El got so scarred and pale. Also, how did Bizarro Lana get superpowers? Was she using kryptonite (evidently the equivalent of X-K in this world), or was she possessed by the Eradicator?
One nice touch was how the superfight actually felt like a superfight, with blows actually sending people flying a great distance (although the counterreaction should've dug the puncher's feet into the ground or something, though I guess we can assume they were using Kryptonian powers to cancel the reaction). Too often, when characters with equally matched superpowers fight on TV, it's staged like just a normal fight.
It was interesting seeing an alternate version of Superman's life, one where he apparently had no secret identity but still somehow ended up with Lois. But parts of it felt too much like an excuse for the writers to indulge their desire for dark, depressing melodrama by letting Superman and Lois have a dysfunctional family in a way they can't in the Prime reality, and I could've done without seeing that.
On the other hand, it was nice to see Tal-Rho as a loving, supportive brother to Kal-El at last, and ultimately redeeming himself.
Plus we finally get what I've wanted all along, a nuanced Anderson who realizes he's been wrong about Superman and redeems himself, and he gets killed five minutes later. I was hoping he'd get back to Earth-Prime and be an ongoing ally for Superman.
And I agree with thribs that it was an oversight not to show how Bizarro Kal-El got so scarred and pale. Also, how did Bizarro Lana get superpowers? Was she using kryptonite (evidently the equivalent of X-K in this world), or was she possessed by the Eradicator?
One nice touch was how the superfight actually felt like a superfight, with blows actually sending people flying a great distance (although the counterreaction should've dug the puncher's feet into the ground or something, though I guess we can assume they were using Kryptonian powers to cancel the reaction). Too often, when characters with equally matched superpowers fight on TV, it's staged like just a normal fight.
I found much of the Bizarro-world stuff to be blackly humorous, rather than dark and depressing. I LOLed at the bit where Kal ignores the screaming window washer on the collapsing scaffold because he’s too busy posing for pictures, and again at his “Because I’m a superhero!” outburst. Maybe it was just me.
And I got a kick out of the cube-shaped planet (and billiard balls, etc.), physics be damned.
I also appreciated the brief return appearance of Janet (or at least her Bizarro version).
And I got a kick out of the cube-shaped planet (and billiard balls, etc.), physics be damned.
I also appreciated the brief return appearance of Janet (or at least her Bizarro version).
Sure, not all of it was dark. I just didn't like having to see Superman fighting with Lois and being a lousy dad. I mean, yeah, it fits with the idea of Bizarro World being inverted from our own, but the producers have just gone for so much angsty melodrama this season and I didn't care to see more of the same, especially from someone wearing Superman's costume.
I don't remember the character, though she looked vaguely familiar. The Arrowverse Wiki says she's been in a couple of previous episodes, but it doesn't have an entry on her.
Janet had two brief but memorable (at least, they were memorable to me) appearances last season: She was Lois’s TV producer friend to whom Lois revealed her love for Clark (within Superman’s hearing), and she was filming Lois on the rooftop during the battle of Metropolis when Leslie Larr almost took Lois out (before Irons’s awesome hammer save).
I thought it was implied that it was the use of Kryptonite.
That explains his general deterioration, that and his depression at losing his family. But the facial scars were too regular, too straight, as if someone had tortured him, or as if he'd done it to himself. They didn't just happen.
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