I appreciate Snyder's efforts and explanation. He does his thing and I like that about him,
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No, that's not a plot hole as there is a Supergirl movie coming up that will possibly address her relationship with her family and Krypton in general. We've no idea when she left Krypton and under what circumstances. She could be born and raised on Argo after Krypton's destruction. Again, we just don't know.
Really Kara probably thought it was better that Clark didn't know the whole truth about his bio parents since it had inspired him to do so much good.
I like that she probably just lets Krypto do whatever he wants because he's the only other survivor of Argo City, like he's earned it. She's a mess in the best way, the Supergirl movie is going to be great.
I like that she probably just lets Krypto do whatever he wants because he's the only other survivor of Argo City, like he's earned it. She's a mess in the best way, the Supergirl movie is going to be great.
The main reason the effects look so bad in "The Quest For Peace" was because Cannon Films had several other movies in development at the same time, and they refused to give Reeve or Sidney Furie any special consideration. Reeve later wrote in his biography, that if Donner had directed that film, Superman's walk toward the United Nations building would've actually been shot there, and tons of extras would've been on hand. Instead, it was done on a small street in England, with slight rain falling and pigeons added for atmosphere.
It's also worth keeping in mind that in most versions Kara lived in Argo City with her parents, so she might not have even known Lara and Jor-El that well, and might not have been aware of their attitude toward Earth.
It looks like they'll be addressing this in Season 2 of Peacemaker.
No, he understood just as much any dog. One of our dogs will even eavesdrops on my mom and I and will react perfectly to what we're saying even when we aren't talking to or about her. People dismissing animals' intelligence just
You obviously need to meet more dogs.
We had a Great Dane who thought he was a Chihuahua lap dog.
I don't think she was actually calling him a bitch, a lot of people just talk like that. For people like that "bye bitch" is just how you say goodbye to your friends.
I liked Hawkgirl, I didn't get any of that from her.
To be fair, this was kind of an extreme situation, so it probably wasn't the best example of what he's usually like.
No offense, but I'm not sure a writer of his caliber is really going to need writing help from a random person on the internet.
I wouldn't be surprised if we saw Guy in something closer to his usual GL uniform when he shows up in Lanters. He probably only wears his costume he wore in this when he's doing stuff with the rest of the Justice Gang.
Yeah, I'm curious about this too, I've never read any of the Authority comics, but I do know she's one of the main heroes from. I had assumed she'd get some kind of a redemption at the end, to set her up as a hero for the Authority movies, but she was just as bad at the end as the beginning.
If it makes you feel any better King's not the showrunner, Chris Mundy is, he's just part of the writing team and a producer.
Not sure if anyone noticed but on the inside of the Hall of Justice there are murals. Towards the ceiling. Hard to completely make out but look heroic figures of the past. Classical heroic symbols of distant past… maybe. But one looks like Wildcat… maybe.
EDIT https://aiptcomics.com/2025/07/12
Clearly I was not imaging things. So many posts not sure if mentioned yet.
EDIT https://aiptcomics.com/2025/07/12
Clearly I was not imaging things. So many posts not sure if mentioned yet.
Classic DC heroes. Silent Knight. One of their cowboy., The JSA. And Vibe!!!! Probably more too.
No offense taken. I just thought of what I would do to fix that development. And, you're right, there's no reason to hold it back. Ok, here it is: The message was doctored by Brainiac, the central computer of Krypton, or the Eradicator. That leads to either of them as the bad guy for Superman 2. The Eradicator might be especially neat, as it could start to brainwash Superman to be more Kryptonian like the 80s story or try to replace him. That's my idea, for what it's worth (nothing).
Nah. MoS was a modernized look at Superman and overall it was way more entertaining than the current crop of cape movies.
Wut?
Agreed, Superman 2025 isn't woke at all, it's just an incoherent mess.
No idea. Repping the 80s?
I reread them recently. If you're interested, I'd read the entire Warren Ellis Stormwatch run that leads directly into the creation of The Authority. Then, read the Ellis and Millar Authority runs. The idea is basically showing superheroes going over the line and actually trying to change the world and being celebrities, and killing badguys. It is incredibly violent, funny, and has wide scale action. But, yeah, right now, I don't see any resemblance to this Engineer and the Authority's. Kind of worried about that, since I think it'd be brilliant of DC films to do a rated R Authority movie. Gunn said that that has been pushed back though and, really, it might be too much for Zaslav to okay seeing as he apparently ditched the Coates Superman film for being "too woke."
How is it modernized? It’s embarrassed to be a Superman movie. It’s just faux edgy schlock trying to be serious when it’s the most braindead, uninteresting take on “what if Superman really happened”.
The flying scenes are cool and the Zod fight is fine, the true shame is that Cavill never got to shine as Superman. He could’ve been great if given good material.
The thing about Snyder is that he said he was a fan of Superman and the comics, but he really wasn't.
Snyder likes some comics, namely the edgy ones that have deconstructed the superhero archetype, e.g. Moore's Watchmen and Miller's The Dark Knight Returns and 300. He apparently had a big falling out with Geoff Johns over Justice League, who is pretty much a traditionalist when it comes to comics.
I don't think Snyder was the right guy to do a Superman or Justice League film at all. His Superman was the antithesis of what the character should have been. Great Superman writers like Mark Waid and Grant Morrison's criticism of Man of Steel were kind of the ultimate criticism of Snyder's approach.
That said, I do think Snyder would've been great at doing The Dark Knight Returns or a similar Batman project. He's said how much he loves that book and he pretty much got to do a lot of that with Batman v Superman.
I respected what he did with his 3 DC films, but I still thought that the tones of Man of Steel and Justice League were just wrong. But WB should've known better. They knew what Snyder could do and they went with him, even after Man of Steel's mixed reviews. They rushed out B v S and messed it up (the Director's Cut works for me, I never saw the theatrical cut). By the end, they got Whedon in to do some major rewrites with support from Geoff Johns and made an decent movie but one that is inferior to what Snyder wanted to create as shown by the Snyder cut.
I agree with you regarding Cavill. He was stuck with Snyder's stories. It's a shame. I liked him as Superman and I know he wanted to do a more hopeful and likable take. It wasn't his fault at all.
Cavill gave an excellent performance. While I don't agree with all the choices, I cannot deny how much I enjoyed Cavill's Superman. And worth it for this moment: Henry Cavill shows up for his nephew.
I think WB/DC of 2025 is way different than in 2013.It made $670 million worldwide; and no I'm not bringing this up because it's my favorite Superman film, it's not - by a long shot. Until this one, my favorite was still Superman II, but yeah Gunn's Superman has surplanted it for me.
Both Supes and Lex were very well done and I actually liked Mr. Terriffic in this one; and he's a DC character I never really cared for until this version of him.
And (unfortunately) while James Gun's Superman did well domestically; currently it's not doing that well in foreign markets, so it may not even make what MoS did overall 12 years ago, (Which would probably be bad in WB's eyes).
Back then Marvel was hitting 1B with nearly every single offering and WB had higher hopes with MoS after the abyssmal failure of Green Lantern.
TDKR was a billion too but they weren't universe building yet.
If Superman 2025 can't do 600M+ I don't think it'll have an effect cuz even JW:R probably won't hit 700M.
It honestly did underperform.
Everybody remembers the absolute fucking HYPE that BvS had and this was coming right after SW:TFA.
That 2nd weekend BvS drop however derailed the DCEU for the next half decade.
My surprise though is Black Adam making 225M internationally. How TF that happened?
I saw a video on YouTube that mentions the mural, it's supposed to show the history of metahumans.
Which is also pretty much what they do in the comics whenever there's a continuity reset. Some books go back to issue #0 and start over, other just carry on as they were before whatever cross-promotional mega-event disrupted their run, and many fall somewhere in-between.
If people really need a reason why a fictional universe has some but not all of the same actors from another very similar fictional universe; one should just assume it's the result of The Flash movie shenanigans (in more ways than one) and move on. It's really not worth overthinking it.
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