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Supergirl TV Series is being work on.

I don't know if they should combine everything. I think they'd be better off with separate unis for TV and film.

Agreed. We don't even know if the DC movie universe will be successful or any good. It's only one movie old, and that movie got a very mixed reception. As James Gunn recently said, the problem with most studios' recent plans to generate shared universes is that they haven't been earned, that they don't have a solid foundation to build on. The Marvel Cinematic Universe worked because it started out with a strong foundation in Iron Man. It was successful enough, good enough, convincing enough, that audiences wanted to see more of that world. By the same token, the reason we have The Flash now, and the reason why Supergirl might tie in too, is because Arrow was successful enough in its own right to lay a foundation. You shouldn't just force everything to be connected for the sake of being connected, because there's no guarantee that will work. You need to start with a strong success and let the larger universe grow outward from it.

So the Arrowverse on TV needs to expand on its own terms. At this point, we have no idea if the Man of Steel movie universe will work as well, if the movies will be liked or if the studio's ambitious plans will turn out to be an overreach and end up being abandoned after a major flop or two. Instead of starting with the franchise and hoping it succeeds, you need to start with a success and build the franchise from it.

Disagree (to a certain extent).

I get & agree with the idea of building off of something successful.

But wasn't Marvels Phase 1 at least plotted out before Iron Man started filming?

Also, the Arrowverse really shouldn't effect much the universes of "big names" (and big FX) like Superman & Batman & WOnder WOman. Unless Arrowverse plans on creating something as powerful as SHIELD....they'd be fine.

The Arrowverse characters can add whatever's necessary to a Justice League plot without ruining future creative choices for Superman or WOnder WOman.


2 of the really memorable things that tie ALL Marvel Movies (even SOny & Fox) are 2 simple things that don't affect the others movies (unless they WANT it too):
1)Post CRedit scenes (which can add whatever value they want...from fun to a preview of a future movie)
2) Stan Lee as some random character.



And I would love to see some shout outs to the Crisis as well as the Legion.

Geoff Johns did a great job with Smallville in connecting it to a wider DC universe....and the same with Arrowverse. It's sad that DC doesn't seem to have more those creative types whom they can trust. MArvel does a better job (though imperfect, as the Edgar Wright case seems)


I look forward to SUpergirl (especially with a 4 year old who loves her), and see what she can add to the DC TV universe.
 
Suicide Squad = S.H.I.E.L.D. = Glue?

The Squad can maybe show up on any show with bad guys from any of the series.
 
Very cool news, if true. Although with them airing on different networks I think it's more likely that Supergirl will only vaguely hint at the existence of Flash and Arrow more than actually cross over with them. At least for the first season or so.

But it would definitely be cool to see Flash and Supergirl on screen together. Just a shame the new show won't be airing on CW with the other shows, so Berlanti could really have some fun with the idea.
 
The different networks thing is less of an issue than it might appear to be, especially since The CW and CBS are sister networks.
 
Buffy and Angel met off camera once after they were on different networks.

They were glib about, describing the meet up in exposition "Not here, not there, some where in between."
 
A ten year old Oliver Queen can show up on Gotham, and there's no certainty if he is or is not from the Arrowverse, the Smallvilleverse or someplace else entirely.
 
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They CAN'T throw Gotham into the Arrow/Flash-verse because it has a completely different aesthetic and tone; Arrow's Dollmaker is also kind of dead, whereas Gotham's Dollmaker is very much alive (even if we haven't actually seen him yet).

Yes, but Gotham could be taking place a decade ago, in relation to Arrow. Dollmaker's fate in Arrow could be the Gotham character's future.
 
I always worry about the villians on these shows. Now Arrow did a solid job of giving Ollie a good group to go against with Deathstroke and Merlyn and now Ra's. Flash has arguably the second best set of Rogues in the Dc universe and maybe third in all of comics(Batman & Spiderman 1 & 2), But who will Supergirl have? I have heard the Toymans name mentioned but can we expect Parasite, Rampage, and Clock King to appear?
 
I get & agree with the idea of building off of something successful.

But wasn't Marvels Phase 1 at least plotted out before Iron Man started filming?

It existed as a potential, but any good plan is flexible and adapts to what actually happens. Intelligent planning is not about saying "We will do this," period. It's more about saying "If A happens, we will be ready to respond to it by doing X, but if B happens, we will be ready to respond to it by doing Y, and if C happens...," etc.

So building a larger universe was an option for Marvel Films if their first film succeeded. They didn't jump the gun and schedule a half-dozen films years in advance before they even knew if the first one would work. They didn't schedule The Incredible Hulk 2 and then have to deal with the disappointing performance of the first film. They started small, kept their options open, and waited until they had a success before they proceeded. You can't force a whole franchise to be successful just by pre-planning it.



Also, the Arrowverse really shouldn't effect much the universes of "big names" (and big FX) like Superman & Batman & WOnder WOman. Unless Arrowverse plans on creating something as powerful as SHIELD....they'd be fine.

My concern is the reverse. So far I like the Arrowverse a whole lot better than the movie universe, and I don't want to see a universe that's been proven successful have its fate bound to a universe that's still largely untested and of questionable quality. Again, it's smarter to see what works before you start tying everything together. You can't just lump everything together in advance and expect that to automatically turn out well.

If the Arrowverse were bound to the movies, then it would be enslaved to them. Its own storytelling goals would be overshadowed and constrained by those of the movies, because the movies would have a far bigger audience and a far bigger profit potential. So if the movies do badly, it would ruin the TV universe. Marvel did the smart thing by waiting until the movie universe was smoothly on track before developing TV series that complemented it, series that were designed from the start to fit into it. That's not the case here. You're proposing an arbitrary, forced merger between two continuities that were conceived separately, and there's absolutely no reason to assume that would turn out well, because it's an entirely different situation from what Marvel did.


2 of the really memorable things that tie ALL Marvel Movies (even SOny & Fox) are 2 simple things that don't affect the others movies (unless they WANT it too):
1)Post CRedit scenes (which can add whatever value they want...from fun to a preview of a future movie)
2) Stan Lee as some random character.

No, what ties the movies together are the careful behind-the-scenes plans made by the filmmakers and executives. Don't mistake the superficial links we see from our side of the curtain for the invisible planning that takes place on the other side.


Geoff Johns did a great job with Smallville in connecting it to a wider DC universe...

But one that was created and existed entirely within the show, and that therefore developed in harmony with it. Not one that was created separately and then artificially grafted onto it. The question is not whether Arrow should be able to expand into a larger DC universe, because obviously it's already doing so. The question is whether it should get to create its own version of the DC universe rather than being forced into a shotgun wedding with a separately developed incarnation of that universe that might not fit well with it and might do it more harm than good to be connected to.

The Arrowverse is working well on its own. The movie universe is off to a creaky start and may be a bloated and costly disaster waiting to happen. But the movies are a much, much bigger beast than the shows, and if they're linked together, then the movies' fate will dictate the shows' fate. So let's wait to see if the movie universe even works before we start talking about binding them together. If the movies crash and burn, I'd much rather have the TV universe stay independent of them so it doesn't get dragged down with them.
 
Yes, but Gotham could be taking place a decade ago, in relation to Arrow. Dollmaker's fate in Arrow could be the Gotham character's future.

What part of "Gotham is set in present-day"didn't you understand?

It would be a bonus if Berlanti is able to work it out so Supergirl can exist in the same reality as Arrow and Flash, but if he does, we probably won't see any big crossover events between the 3 shows for a while.
 
I always worry about the villians on these shows. Now Arrow did a solid job of giving Ollie a good group to go against with Deathstroke and Merlyn and now Ra's. Flash has arguably the second best set of Rogues in the Dc universe and maybe third in all of comics(Batman & Spiderman 1 & 2), But who will Supergirl have? I have heard the Toymans name mentioned but can we expect Parasite, Rampage, and Clock King to appear?

Yeah it's probably a safe bet we'll see a lot of Superman's usual villains in this. Or maybe alternate takes on those characters, like a twisted, Bizarro-style Supergirl, which I think would be pretty cool to see.

And it's probably a given that Luthor will show up at some point.

The Arrowverse is working well on its own. The movie universe is off to a creaky start and may be a bloated and costly disaster waiting to happen. But the movies are a much, much bigger beast than the shows, and if they're linked together, then the movies' fate will dictate the shows' fate. So let's wait to see if the movie universe even works before we start talking about binding them together. If the movies crash and burn, I'd much rather have the TV universe stay independent of them so it doesn't get dragged down with them.

Well I've got a lot more faith in the new movie universe than you (because even with the mixed reaction to MOS, I just have a hard time imagining people NOT being excited as hell at the chance to finally see a Batman vs Superman, Justice League, or Wonder Woman movie), but I am starting to agree that it's best that the two universes stay separate. Especially since the Arrowverse is already so well established, and it doesn't really seem fair to Berlanti to suddenly mash the two together after all the time he's spent carefully crafting his universe.
 
^Yes. Even if the movies do work out, the TV universe would be totally swamped by them if they were combined, and that wouldn't be fair to it, given all the work that's been put into creating and developing it.
 
We're thinking too much in terms of how much of the budget do they have to move around to afford Henry Cavill or Affleck for sweeps...

But what about the minor third tier characters they don't have to go into the red for?

Richard Schiff as Dr Emill Hamilton?

Laurence Fishburn as Perry White?

Michael Kelly as Steve Lombard?
 
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