I wondered that for just a split-second before I realized it was just stock footage.
Supergirl - Season Four
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I wondered that for just a split-second before I realized it was just stock footage.
Ok..... Now, we knew that Lex was coming. But this episode and what seems to be happening feels like it's suddenly coming out of nowhere. Not only do we get to see our Lex in the Arrowverse for the first time, but really? He's already destroying everything just like that?? I would have loved to have seen a bit more of a build-up.
Good trailer. Cryer's Lex looks pretty good. It definitely gives us a glimpse of Lex's hatred for Superman.
Yeah, I was skeptical about this casting, but he came off pretty well in the trailer.
Supergirl
Season 4 / episode 14- "Stand and Deliver"
SG/Kara: "I should have dealt with the Elite when I had the chance." Really. So now a group with a mass murderer as a leader (who tried to kill her) is a priority now.
J'onn: "Manchester gets under my skin". But not enough to use necessary force stop him on several occasions, including the fight at the fortress. It should not take Manchester mocking his personal losses (or threatening more) to get him to bring him down.
Lockwood / Children of Liberty: "Us or them" Ahh. The showrunners step over the fact that its a chant / worldview from both sides of the political waters. It just depends on the subject that sparks the most vitriolic of reactions.
Lockwood was reduced from the interesting ideologue/villain seen early on, and just turned into a near-total caricature in this episode.
Menagerie / Manchester Black & Company: Now they break into the Fortress. At this point, Kara should not feel any need to play nice with this group, since they will do anything--including violate what should be assumed to be the most precious place to her (and her cousin) with any ties to her heritage.
James / Lena: James asking Eve anything about Lena's affairs....not wise at all. It makes him seem dense, since he knows how loyal she is to Lena. I understand that he cannot do much of his own investigating (at present), but he cannot expect any sort of good outcome from Lena becoming his enemy if she learns what he tried to do.
James shot by an unknown assailant. It could be:
Haley: ..her conversation with Brainy...was he being naïve or just ignorant of history regarding the some protests going wrong? He's from the future, so this should not be news to him at all.
Nia / Brainy: Her materializing behind Menagerie was nice. Playing up the mysterious side works.
NOTES: "Say cheers to our little friends" and the Stealer's Wheels song, "Stuck in the Middle with You"--enough swiping from other productions.
Pollyanna-esque end of the protest scene, and of course, this series will never address both sides of a serious issue, particularly one where several world threatening alien invasions were involved.
GRADE: B.
Season 4 / episode 14- "Stand and Deliver"
SG/Kara: "I should have dealt with the Elite when I had the chance." Really. So now a group with a mass murderer as a leader (who tried to kill her) is a priority now.
J'onn: "Manchester gets under my skin". But not enough to use necessary force stop him on several occasions, including the fight at the fortress. It should not take Manchester mocking his personal losses (or threatening more) to get him to bring him down.
Lockwood / Children of Liberty: "Us or them" Ahh. The showrunners step over the fact that its a chant / worldview from both sides of the political waters. It just depends on the subject that sparks the most vitriolic of reactions.
Lockwood was reduced from the interesting ideologue/villain seen early on, and just turned into a near-total caricature in this episode.
Menagerie / Manchester Black & Company: Now they break into the Fortress. At this point, Kara should not feel any need to play nice with this group, since they will do anything--including violate what should be assumed to be the most precious place to her (and her cousin) with any ties to her heritage.
James / Lena: James asking Eve anything about Lena's affairs....not wise at all. It makes him seem dense, since he knows how loyal she is to Lena. I understand that he cannot do much of his own investigating (at present), but he cannot expect any sort of good outcome from Lena becoming his enemy if she learns what he tried to do.
James shot by an unknown assailant. It could be:
- One of the Children of Liberty in retaliation for the photo's effect. Lockwood had a negative encounter with James and knows where he stands on the issue, so he could be behind it.
- Lena acting on some of the same triggers (remember, she was always an advocate of alien deterrents, and any tide shift from James' photo would anger her / give her a sense of betrayal). Perhaps Eve...?
- Lex--for the same reasons, and he has an adversarial history with James. That, and he could use that against Supergirl as part of his red sun scheme.
- Manchester--knowing James has some association with Supergirl and J'onn, this might serve as the "loss" to J'onn he threatened.
Haley: ..her conversation with Brainy...was he being naïve or just ignorant of history regarding the some protests going wrong? He's from the future, so this should not be news to him at all.
Nia / Brainy: Her materializing behind Menagerie was nice. Playing up the mysterious side works.
NOTES: "Say cheers to our little friends" and the Stealer's Wheels song, "Stuck in the Middle with You"--enough swiping from other productions.
Pollyanna-esque end of the protest scene, and of course, this series will never address both sides of a serious issue, particularly one where several world threatening alien invasions were involved.
GRADE: B.
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Who shot JR? er, I mean who shot JO?
I know who I don't want it to be, I don't want it to be Eve.
Does Col Haley not know Brainy is an alien from the future?
Us or them?
Pogo would tell you we are one in the same...
https://contemplatingtruth.wordpress.com/pogo-met-the-enemy-0/
... something the aliens figured out before the rally but some of CoL's followers didn't figure out until the fists began to fly,
I liked the ep, but wish Alex has made a bigger deal re: the only reason Lockwood was alive after that first Elite attack was because an alien intervened.
I miss Alex and Kara/SG. It just seems so false whenever Kara chats with her now.
ETA:
As for Gotham... with Batwoman on the prowl, who would dare?
I know who I don't want it to be, I don't want it to be Eve.
Does Col Haley not know Brainy is an alien from the future?
Us or them?
Pogo would tell you we are one in the same...
https://contemplatingtruth.wordpress.com/pogo-met-the-enemy-0/
... something the aliens figured out before the rally but some of CoL's followers didn't figure out until the fists began to fly,
I liked the ep, but wish Alex has made a bigger deal re: the only reason Lockwood was alive after that first Elite attack was because an alien intervened.
I miss Alex and Kara/SG. It just seems so false whenever Kara chats with her now.
ETA:
As for Gotham... with Batwoman on the prowl, who would dare?
The once-popular J.R. Ewing question came to mind the second James was shot, but all TV history aside, this was the most shocking event in the Supergirl show's history.
The list of suspects are all believable choices, and that includes Eve. She was too nervous about James asking her to look into Lena's business while hoping Lena would slow down on her work. She's more loyal to Lena than James, and if she concluded any investigation would lead to something along the lines of public outrage at / reaction to her super soldier work, she might think the only way to prevent that from the start is to kill James. Yeah, such an extreme reaction would make her more than unhinged, but devotion to Lena might push her over the edge.
I have wondered about that, too, as she's never said a word about it, and i'm not certain she's witnessed Brainy using his no-so-normal abilities. That said, its not uncommon for Haley to study him while speaking to him as if she's suspecting there's more to him than he's letting on. That, or she thinks he's just strange. She's not a fool, so do not be surprised if that question comes up sometime in the future.
That would not sell to Lockwood. He can turn around and argue that the entire situation would not have happened if an alien population were not on earth from the start--essentially accusing them of setting off a chain of events opening the door to any otherworldly attacks, earth-threatening invasions, humanity's responses as a result of that, and counter responses from the Manchester Blacks of the world.
Aside from the pointless and nonsensical removal of Alex's SG memories, Kara is constantly play-acting with Alex, so yes, it seems artificial, and she cannot feel anything (emotionally honest) from that.
Hardcore types...anyone who terrorized Gotham up to that point--from basic street gangs who might share CoL beliefs, et al.
Pretty solid episode. Some intense storytelling and commentary. Weird, though, to have the Elite just casually breaking into the Fortress of Solitude, with only a passing reference to Hat's "friend Mxy" telling him how to get in.
And they're really drawing heavily on All-Star Superman. First the Cosmic Anvil, now the baby Sun-Eater it's used to feed.
It was weird that Supergirl changed back to Kara when entering J'onn's office to talk about superhero business while Menagerie was sitting right there. Menagerie doesn't know her identity, does she? But interesting that they nodded to how much more time Kara spent in her Supergirl costume in season 1-2.
Wrong Gotham. This is Earth-38. As far as we know, Batman is still active on that Earth.
And they're really drawing heavily on All-Star Superman. First the Cosmic Anvil, now the baby Sun-Eater it's used to feed.
It was weird that Supergirl changed back to Kara when entering J'onn's office to talk about superhero business while Menagerie was sitting right there. Menagerie doesn't know her identity, does she? But interesting that they nodded to how much more time Kara spent in her Supergirl costume in season 1-2.
Wrong Gotham. This is Earth-38. As far as we know, Batman is still active on that Earth.
Yeah, I thought that was a bit of a plot hole. Where was the little flying robot guy who normally greets Kara when she enters the Fortress? Isn't he supposed to defend the place or something? And even though Hat did use the key, wouldn't the Fortress still have a way of scanning who was entering and automatically notify Kara of intruders or have some type of defense mechanism? It did seem odd that Elite just waltzes in and can take whatever they want.
Plot convenience. No matter how difficult it would be for anyone to use the key, such a near-sacred place for Superman should have security in place to protect it (and any authorized occupants) from just the kind of breach seen in this episode, but again...plot convenience.
It’s an odd creative choice to have The Hat wearing Mr. Mxyzptlk’s hat when Mxy actually appeared on the show he was never seen with it all. At the time they were clearly distancing him from his comic appearance. But now they are directly referencing it?
Back than I liked to imagine Mxy altered his appearance to better please Supergirl. Who he was trying marry.
In the comics The Hat has no connection to the 5th Dimension or Mxy. His hat appears to be powered by a demon.
Back than I liked to imagine Mxy altered his appearance to better please Supergirl. Who he was trying marry.
In the comics The Hat has no connection to the 5th Dimension or Mxy. His hat appears to be powered by a demon.
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Right. All of this animosity and hostilities against the aliens seem to be only in the United States. They also talked about the Alien Amnesty act as if it was valid only in the States....
You mentioned Russia. I'm wondering if Baker knows about her. Baker clearly has different reasons than Lockwood for appearing to be enabling Lockwood's movement.....
You mentioned Russia. I'm wondering if Baker knows about her. Baker clearly has different reasons than Lockwood for appearing to be enabling Lockwood's movement.....
Its clear at least on person in America does, as we have seen the Russians contact someone stateside, but I'm thinking the series will throw the audience, who might suspect one of the Luthor family, using a Kara clone to begin some hostile takeover (extent unknown), or forever damn Supergirl's reputation by unleashing a maniac to commit terror around the world.
I would guess because of the apparent widespread support of Lockwood's movement, the president is using him as a useful target (of the Manchester Blacks and other like-minded violent types of the world) to justify the (probable) public announcement of the super soldier program to a fearful and security-minded populace. If that happened, members of the public might volunteer for the treatment, which would be another seal of approval for the president's program.
This was another good one.
I do agree it was odd how easily the Elite got into The Fortress of Solitude, I definitely would have expected that place to have a lot more security.
Dreamer spending almost the whole episode in her costume and everybody's comments about it was pretty funny.
The guy who was yelling at the aliens marching, then changing his mind at the end was a nice moment. It was nice to see them showing that at least some people like that can change.
Alex having to protect Lockwood gave us a nice bit of drama. Him becoming a part of the government does add an interesting new complication to that story. It will be interesting to see what ends up happening with Pres. Baker now that they've set him up as sympathetic to The Children of Liberty, or at least willing to use them to further his own ends.
Right now I'm thinking it was Lex that shot James.
I do agree it was odd how easily the Elite got into The Fortress of Solitude, I definitely would have expected that place to have a lot more security.
Dreamer spending almost the whole episode in her costume and everybody's comments about it was pretty funny.
The guy who was yelling at the aliens marching, then changing his mind at the end was a nice moment. It was nice to see them showing that at least some people like that can change.
Alex having to protect Lockwood gave us a nice bit of drama. Him becoming a part of the government does add an interesting new complication to that story. It will be interesting to see what ends up happening with Pres. Baker now that they've set him up as sympathetic to The Children of Liberty, or at least willing to use them to further his own ends.
Right now I'm thinking it was Lex that shot James.
The fascist and populist rhetoric is well-crafted.
