Supergirl - Season Four

[Christopher]

I find that to be a interesting idea but they also have to deal with the idea that the print media is dying.

People have been saying that for a long time, but I gather that over the past couple of years, newspapers' circulation has been rising again. Current events have reminded people of the importance of a free press as a check on government corruption, and it sounds like that's a theme the producers want to explore.

 

[DigificWriter]

They got a bit confused last season with lines like the President building a wall at the border. Trump isn’t the President there so you can’t make references like that.

No; as pointed out, the dialogue in question said nothing about the President building a wall.

Regarding Cat making reference to a Trump-esque character, she takes a jab at the Speaker of the House, which may have been more of a reference to Paul Ryan than Trump.

 

[dahj]

Regarding Cat making reference to a Trump-esque character, she takes a jab at the Speaker of the House, which may have been more of a reference to Paul Ryan than Trump.

Oh, it was definitely a reference to Trump. He just wasn't referred to as President.

 

[Spot261]

Yes but if you have money who the hell cares what dumb assholes think. When you get to go home to your nice home and they go back to whatever crappy existence they have then it seems like the person with the money always wins. Except when your talking about violence but that is whole other level. Even then you got money to hire maybe security that poor people don't have. If your poor you basically got your wits and maybe hope the police will help. I know from dealing with asshole ex-husbands with my sisters that is no lock. Not that some of them don't care but the system does sort of tie people's hands but if your rich I am guessing those things are much easier to get around with. No system is perfect I think we can all agree but if your rich it's much easier to navigate.

Jason

All hunky dory provided you don't mind being socially isolated and live in a fortress when someone decides they want to escalate the prejudice.

Money makes some things easier sure, but it doesn't take away society's ills.

 

[JD]

I know it can't make you happy but it can make you feel like you have security and some semblance of control even if that is a illusion if you happen to still not have enough to make a difference. Granted i'm not sure how happy most people are anyway. I think it's sadly a fleeting emotion that comes and goes but you still go through life with enough pain and misery to a point were it might even be more common and normal than happiness. To much fear and insecurities always rattling around in your brain way to much to ever feel happy and content. Granted I might just be cynical.

Jason

That is not what I'm talking about at all. No matter how much money you have, if you are gay or black or whatever, and people find out that's not going to stop them refusing to serve you at a restaurant, attacking you physically or verbally, or people trying to outlaw your way of life, or going on TV talking about how horrible people like you are, ect. No matter how much "security" you have from your money, those things will still effect you after a while. There are a lot of horrible things that happen to members of these kinds of groups that money can't protect you from.

 

[Jayson1]

I do agree these things can effect someone mentally. Just because your rich doesn't mean you are going to be happy or not bothered what people do. For me though this is what every human goes through. We all deal with some form of trama or issue that stays with us. To be honest I don't think any human being is ever really happy. I find happiness to be a fleeting emotion that doesn't substain itself for long because we are always dealing with something terrible in our life that wants to rip those feelings away. Everything from sexism,racism,mental illness,poverty to people you care about dying. The list is endless. When you think about your life has anyone here ever really,really felt true happiness and contentment and if you did how long did it last before something took it from you? It doesn't matter who is the president or how well the world or your country is doing or not doing you as a human will always feel like shit most of your existence. If your going to feel terrible most of the time it's at least better to be rich while feeling like shit because it at least provides some security that poor people don't have access to.

Jason

 

[Guy Gardener]

I find that to be a interesting idea but they also have to deal with the idea that the print media is dying. Granted this seems a little to complicated of a issue for a comic book show because you still got to have fights and all that but it could be interesting. I wonder if they will go after social media. You know as we movie into the new age I suspect at some point the Daily Planet in Superman and Katco here will stop being made out to be newspapers but actually tv newschannels or Facebook style internet companies though the purist will complain.

Jason

I was visiting a friend in the hospital in the 80s... Kids get odd presents, but there there was a brand new issue of Superman, something that most children didn't think about buying or couldn't afford to buy, so everything we collectively knew about Superman came from the movie trailers to the first two Chris Reeve movies that our parents would not take us to or decades old reruns of bad cartoons....

Clark Kent and Lana Lang were Network TV news anchors for Galaxy News... WHAT THE LIVING FUCK?????

 

[JD]

I do agree these things can effect someone mentally. Just because your rich doesn't mean you are going to be happy or not bothered what people do. For me though this is what every human goes through. We all deal with some form of trama or issue that stays with us. To be honest I don't think any human being is ever really happy. I find happiness to be a fleeting emotion that doesn't substain itself for long because we are always dealing with something terrible in our life that wants to rip those feelings away. Everything from sexism,racism,mental illness,poverty to people you care about dying. The list is endless. When you think about your life has anyone here ever really,really felt true happiness and contentment and if you did how long did it last before something took it from you? It doesn't matter who is the president or how well the world or your country is doing or not doing you as a human will always feel like shit most of your existence. If your going to feel terrible most of the time it's at least better to be rich while feeling like shit because it at least provides some security that poor people don't have access to.

Jason

OK, I give up, you're so focused on the word happiness that you're ignoring the actual issue her.

 

[dahj]

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[TREK_GOD_1]

Does it really make things better or does it make it worst? I think the key has less to do with tv and the internet and more about winning elections. Elections means trying to sort appeal to everyone and making everyone feel like they matter.

Elections only go so far; if someone is determined to hate, for example, a black person, no amount of elected officials and/or laws will stop discrimination. I'm telling you this from personal experience. Major civil rights laws for black people are over a half century old, yet 2018 still sees individuals or organizations trying to deny equal access under the law based on the victim's race, or turn the legal clock back. A black person might know he matters from an understanding of his family history (in the U.S. and abroad), and electing people to enforce favorable laws in place, but that's just a legal stepping stone, not an answer for systemic social discrimination/racism that continue to act as fuel for the fires of hatred set across the country. Its the social level that can make life miserable for the victims; for example, look at the off-the-charts hatred of anyone participating in protesting during the national anthem--and the either full-on racist or coded "you can leave the country" / "respect our flag" type barking aimed at protestors. That kind ever-boiling mistreatment can cause (at times) more damage (psychologically) than anything a politician can "fix".



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[Spot261]

that's just a legal stepping stone, not an answer for systemic social discrimination/racism that continue to act as fuel for the fires of hatred set across the country

So what is the next step?

 

[Jayson1]

Elections only go so far; if someone is determined to hate, for example, a black person, no amount of elected officials and/or laws will stop discrimination. I'm telling you this from personal experience. Major civil rights laws for black people are over a half century old, yet 2018 still sees individuals or organizations trying to deny equal access under the law based on the victim's race, or turn the legal clock back. A black person might know he matters from an understanding of his family history (in the U.S. and abroad), and electing people to enforce favorable laws in place, but that's just a legal stepping stone, not an answer for systemic social discrimination/racism that continue to act as fuel for the fires of hatred set across the country. Its the social level that can make life miserable for the victims; for example, look at the off-the-charts hatred of anyone participating in protesting during the national anthem--and the either full-on racist or coded "you can leave the country" / "respect our flag" type barking aimed at protestors. That kind ever-boiling mistreatment can cause (at times) more damage (psychologically) than anything a politician can "fix".



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I think politicans,organized religion and even corporations though make their money or gain their power by creating a negative and hateful world were they can sell themselves as the soultion and people line up to whichever cult feels will help them the best. Corporations are a little different in that they also see is a means of cheap labor. As long as you have enough poverty and a group or groups of people you can exploit you can make sure to keep wages down and control all the wealth and whoever controls the most amount of money actually controls the world. To me I think in America every problem can still be traced back to the fact that we had Slavery and never evolved past that.
Even though it ended, the oppression of those in power never did and in fact it expanded to eventually include all people except for those lucky ones granted privilege. Of course the idea that poor people no matter what their color or gender is have more in common with each other than the rich is seen as a threat so they had to make sure to have the poor hating and blaming each other to maintain their power. Not to mention that when you create a certain level of poverty or a society where people feel like they are being mistreated it is going to make some humans become toxic. People turn to hate or violence because they are unhappy with their lives and they are unhappy with their lives is because society has let almost everyone down at this point. Everyone knows they are being screwed so it's easier for those with power to control them and exploit them. Granted this doesn't really help in the here and now and you got to fight for equal rights and punishing people who hurt people but am I the only one who thinks alot of that feels like stopgap soultions and nothing will really change until you finally deal with the fact that the real problem is the rich and powerful and it's also a problem that effects everyone even the people you have been taught is the enemy and maybe have even become the enemy because people have been getting into their heads as well doing a number on them. It's why I think people need to actually listen to people more than just get angry and hurl insults even when people do things you can say is a legit reason to be angry. Everyone no matter how toxic they might be is still a human and it's not like they are going to go away,especially if you keep feeding the fire that makes that hatred run. Find somekind of compromise or find away to ease people's fears and maybe understand why they are so afraid. Basically people getting to know each other better I think helps make the world better even if it means some hurt feelings and anger at the beginning. At least it would make things more civil were people might just come to a "agree to disagree" view on things.

Jason

 

[TREK_GOD_1]

So what is the next step?

To be honest, I'm not sure. Back in the late 1960s, it was believed that representation / full on "melting pot" stories in the media would pick up where politics left off (or could not influence), but as "late" as the period we live in now, we still see a flood of distaste (or in some cases, open hatred), especially where race is concerned. In social media, and in public conversation, I've heard people rant about "why" Brooks was cast as James Olsen, or why any of the MCU's Asgardians were black "because that's not right" (about realm as close to being based on reality as unicorns riding skateboards), and so on. If legislation is not enough to bury discrimination / general hatred (and we knew it was not), and media representation at times generates as much anger as the positive steps it was taking, then it seems to be a head-butting situation that goes nowhere. So, as far as next step goes, I'm not sure what that will be to finally have people treated as people, not as "them".

 

[Jayson1]

I actually wonder of the destruction of the Republican and Democratic party would help. I know you can't get ride of people being more conservative or more liberal but not having having specific political parties to rally around I think would help. Which founding father was it that hated the idea of political parties forming? To be honest though I actually wonder if the internet is the biggest issue. I think their is some truth in the idea that ignorance is bliss. I think Obama was elected in part because people really believed we were becoming a post-racial world. Today I don't think he would stand a chance. Partly because the world didn't get better when he was in office and also because right wing media keeped stoking up the anger to the point were the tea-party got started and that was the end of any moderate control in that party.
Democrats problems is less from the leaders doing things because they are to sold out or in capable of inspiring people they are basically useless at this point. That means liberals haven't had any real leadership for sometime and it has hurt in that you see a lost of focus of the big picture instead of just playing to special interests which in the end separates us more. Everyone thinks the issue they most care about is the one that deserves the most focus whether it be income inequality,racism,sexism or the enviroment or ending wars and so forth. Nobody seems to hard to try and be the person or persons who is going to take on all those issues thus you see some splintering with the left. Plus the name calling in fights that both sides do just never works well with liberals. People expect tolerance and maturity from the left. That stuff makes us look like we are no different than the people we complain about. It's bad for our image. Their is a kind of double standard were those on the right can be more angry when insulted but that's just the way it is.

Jason

 

[The Realist]

Entertainment Weekly preview article, primarily focused on Nicole Maines/Nia Nal, and featuring several great new photos:

https://ew.com/tv/2018/09/13/supergirl-nicole-maines-first-look/

 

[dahj]

Entertainment Weekly preview article, primarily focused on Nicole Maines/Nia Nal, and featuring several great new photos:
https://ew.com/tv/2018/09/13/supergirl-nicole-maines-first-look/

Lovely article, Nicole seems very happy with her character and I'm really looking forward to this season.

(The comments on that article are fucking cancer. I'd advise everyone to skip them.)

 

[The Realist]

(The comments on that article are fucking cancer. I'd advise everyone to skip them.)

I almost said the same in my post, followed by a "what is wrong with these people?" diatribe, but then decided just to accentuate the positive.

 

[dahj]

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[Christopher]

^The setup's a bit clumsy, but it's fun thanks to the personalities. Although it would've been cooler if they did one of The CW's action/training promos, Supergirl vs. the Charmed Ones.

 

[Awesome Possum]

I almost said the same in my post, followed by a "what is wrong with these people?" diatribe, but then decided just to accentuate the positive.

Anything even loosely related to trans people is going to bring out the worst examples of humanity, even on LGBTQ sites. It’s one of the few bigotries still somewhat socially acceptable, hopefully that will change soon.