That's beside the point. On the contrary, my point is that both good and bad writing can include overt and unsubtle statements as well as nuanced ones, so you can't say that there's a one-to-one correlation between overt politics and bad writing.
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That's beside the point. On the contrary, my point is that both good and bad writing can include overt and unsubtle statements as well as nuanced ones, so you can't say that there's a one-to-one correlation between overt politics and bad writing.
I don't think I said that or I wasn't trying to say that though I do think it's usually the case in most situations. Not everyone can do the overt stuff and pull it off and not make it come off as preachy or condescending to the audience. That was one of the things that makes Sorkin so impressive. Of course every show has it's own style. "South Park" and "Family Guy" rips everyone. "Handmaid's Tale" is all grim and graphic into shocking you at the horrible stuff. "Black Mirror" is all about the dangers of our modern tech and "Mr Robot" is about the internet and Corporate America and how easy it is to manipulate people. "The UnBreakable Kimmy Schmidt" is about female empowerment mixed with surrealism. "Veep" is about how basically everyone is a asshole and very vulgar and shallow. I kind of wish Roseanne hadn't did the racist stuff because that was about Poor working class white people. Granted the show was never as good as "KIng of HIll" at doing that but it was okay. "Sillicon Valley" is about, well Sillicon Valley. Not sure we got a good milleninals yet or toxic fandom show though I guess we got a good episode about it in that "Black Mirror" episode the Callister. I think "Atlanta" sort of explores what it's like to be black in modern America. I have always wonder about "Better Call Saul." It like "Breaking Bad" before represents some of the best stuff on tv yet they don't seem to have a poltical perspective at all. More like "Mad Man" were it's a total focus on the characters and simply shows you the world and lets the audience make it's own minds up or simply show things they way they were without any comment on them. Then a whole slew of escapism fun from Orville,Stranger Things, and Lost in Space and Preacher.
Jason
We live in a time where a significant portion of the population believes they have a right to discriminate against groups they don’t like and are completely justified in doing so, basic decency needs to be shoved down their throats. Otherwise it will only get worse, we might even slowly slip into committing a few atrocities.
Does it really make things better or does it make it worst? I think the key has less to do with tv and the internet and more about winning elections. Elections means trying to sort appeal to everyone and making everyone feel like they matter. I also feel income inequality is where most of all problems start. Everything terrible in the world always seems to connect back to money in someway. People either have to much of it or not enough.. It is is why they call it the root of all evil.
Jason
Changing public opinion does a lot of good. Increased visibility of gay people in media, being treated like anyone else quickly changed the public perception of them from dangerous predators to normal people. It also lead to more gay people feeling safe enough to come out, farther helping the public perception because it went from strangers to friends and family. As a consequence, this pushed politics and gay marriage is now legal.
I’m not sure why you’re blaming money. This is about hate and there is a lot of hate out there, mostly from people claiming to have a moral authority over the rest of us. Hopefully soon that hate will be banished to the dustbin of history with those who feel it are afraid to speak it, because we as a society allow it to exist.
I blame money because I think humans value money over everything. It is seen as means of self-protection and power. If you have enough money nobody can really touch you. I think money is why religions were mostly created in the first place. Just flames peoples natural distrust of anyone who is different or really even people who are just like you as well so the money keeps rolling in. That in turn is were racism and sexism comes into play. A bunch of rules and codes to keep control over people to make sure the money flows upward. Not to mention usually a group you can exploit in horrific ways for cheap labor. Then Big Business came in and basically used that exact same strategy. Only they begin to realize that you can also exploit even the people who have more privledge as well so nobody ever wins except them and a few lucky ones that know their place like all the politicans who sell out. I think we are all basically pawns to them as they manipulate people into liking or hating whatever they want in order to make sure they always control everything. I really wonder what a human society would look like if we were more like "Trek" were all are basic needs were secure and guarnteed. You would still have bad apples and mental illness is something that you can't just get ride off in anyway butI think we wouldn't have as much I think and many of them wouldn't ever be willing to risk what they have over stuff that doesn't personally effect their own lives.
Jason
Yes but if you have money who the hell cares what dumb assholes think. When you get to go home to your nice home and they go back to whatever crappy existence they have then it seems like the person with the money always wins. Except when your talking about violence but that is whole other level. Even then you got money to hire maybe security that poor people don't have. If your poor you basically got your wits and maybe hope the police will help. I know from dealing with asshole ex-husbands with my sisters that is no lock. Not that some of them don't care but the system does sort of tie people's hands but if your rich I am guessing those things are much easier to get around with. No system is perfect I think we can all agree but if your rich it's much easier to navigate.
Jason
Jason
It’s easy to say that when you don’t actually face discrimination and bigotry for existing. All the money in the world means nothing if you have no rights, plus these people don’t really exist except in a few rare exceptions. The vast majority of people dealing with this aren’t even middle class, they’re poor.
You’re trying to create scenarios that aren’t based on reality in order to just dismiss them.
Money doesn't buy happiness, no matter how much money you have the way other people treat you can still get to you on an emotional level.
I'm not trying to dismiss them. I know they exisit. I just think they exisit because people are programmed and manipulated from cradle to grave to think the way they want you to think and to hate who they want you to hate because they benefit from it. They control are money, our news people's spiritual beliefs. Like George Carlin once said. We have the freedom of maybe choosing if you want paper or plastic bag at the grocery store but nobody has any freedom or control over anything beyond basic routine daily tasks. The only way any progress will happen is if rich people can make money off it which is why we are finally seeing more diversity. It's not like they listen to any of us or do things because it's the right thing. They do it because it benefits them. At least for now. Who knows what they will want 10 years from now. They will still have all the control then and I am guessing for our entire lives. If we didn't live in a authoritian oligarchy maybe things would be different but we don't. Clearly some have it worst than others but they make sure things suck just enough for everyone so people feel the need to look out just for themselves or they will be destroyed or ruined. So people end up feeling empathy for others but also find themselves helpless to do anything about it because their own issue's are never ending. I see it as divide and conquering through systematic economic oppression. Then we all end up blaming each other instead of looking at the puppetmasters pulling the strings.
Jason
I know it can't make you happy but it can make you feel like you have security and some semblance of control even if that is a illusion if you happen to still not have enough to make a difference. Granted i'm not sure how happy most people are anyway. I think it's sadly a fleeting emotion that comes and goes but you still go through life with enough pain and misery to a point were it might even be more common and normal than happiness. To much fear and insecurities always rattling around in your brain way to much to ever feel happy and content. Granted I might just be cynical.
Jason
That has absolutely nothing to do with what I brought up. You seem to be wanting to change the subject to something else entirely, yet again.
No I know the type of people you are talking about. Violent thugs and government assholes that want to demonize people who have been margainlized in society because it plays well with the people that vote for them. I understand just how bad people can be. I just know they are bad like this because they have been manipulated into having those feelings. Society should try and go after people like this but if that is what people think is going to make things better I don't think it will. It's like going after low level criminals while the real threat is ignored and in turn you just get more of the same. Take one alt right thug out you just get another to take it's place because we aren't getting to the core of why these people become what they are. Corporations and Organized religion are a bigger threat to society than just your average asshole on the street because those two things are were the real power comes from. The problem is none of us matter in the grand scheme of things. We don't have the power to change things because the things at the top have simply become untouchable and the things we think gives us power to change things like elections are just illusions to make us still feel like we really have a voice in how society is shaped. Even exposing the truth doesn't matter because everyone now has their own truth and nobody trusts anyone. People have been lied to so much and manipulated and then you have constant barrage of fighting on the internet and it's does't really lend itself to a enviroment of people trying to come together to solve problems. It ends up just people going their own tribe and going to war with each other. I would even say the internet has driven the divide up to a level it's never been before. To a point where everything is now political, even things that never were before or should be. Is their anything that happens anyone that doesn't have someone yelling and get outraged over that really looks stupid. Fueled by click bait "articles" created for the sake of riling people up because it's good for business and once again you circle back to that ultimate evil that is money.
Jason
Well...
"We’ll be able to tackle issues of the press in this way and hopefully tell stories, which show how important a fair and free press is to democracy."
As for the rest, I doubt they'll be adapting Das Kapital, this season at least...
Close enough?
Cat referred to Trump, or someone that seems like Trump, as a Senator or a Congressman way back in season 2.
Well...
"We’ll be able to tackle issues of the press in this way and hopefully tell stories, which show how important a fair and free press is to democracy."
As for the rest, I doubt they'll be adapting Das Kapital, this season at least...
I find that to be a interesting idea but they also have to deal with the idea that the print media is dying. Granted this seems a little to complicated of a issue for a comic book show because you still got to have fights and all that but it could be interesting. I wonder if they will go after social media. You know as we movie into the new age I suspect at some point the Daily Planet in Superman and Katco here will stop being made out to be newspapers but actually tv newschannels or Facebook style internet companies though the purist will complain.
Jason
You know I kind of like the idea of making Lyndia Carter a bad guy president. This is why the vice president becomes a bigger character and also this gives Kat a reason to quit her job and come back to the show but I know the actress doesn't want to live in Canada so that won't happen.
Jason
