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Supergirl - Season Four

The weirder thing for me was that he didn't make up a stupid excuse/lie to explain away his defeat like the sun was in his eyes or he was distracted by sports playing on a mounted flat screen in the background. Go Bulls!

I was like "Shi-ii-iit man, where's your stereotypical fragile male ego?"
 
The weirder thing for me was that he didn't make up a stupid excuse/lie to explain away his defeat like the sun was in his eyes or he was distracted by sports playing on a mounted flat screen in the background. Go Bulls!

I was like "Shi-ii-iit man, where's your stereotypical fragile male ego?"

I think they cut those scenes.
If you watch the fight you can see clearly that Superman only lost because he had water in his eyes so he couldn't see good.
 
The remarkable thing to me is how fundamentally anti-Christian so many alleged Christians are. They focus on anything that gives them an excuse to hate and discriminate, while ignoring Jesus' central messages of love and acceptance. What part of "Let he who is without sin" is unclear?

The Jesus of the Gospels would be horrified at the things they do in his name. He would tell these so-called "Christians" to mind the business of their own souls, and just bake the fucking cake.
All their positions are from the Bible, some Christians just choose to ignore it like how it also supports slavery. But I’ve found that the majority of certain Christian groups are like that. The “good” Christians are rare and never seem to speak up, except in private.
 
Is it me or is the Superman vs Supergirl fight going to be the lasting legacy of the show? We are still talking about it and it's got to be over a year. Me I didn't like it because I am big believer in the idea of all fights between beloved Comic book characters should end in a drawl. Everyone should come away happy just to see their favorite get their licks in and show off their powers and leave it at that. The Arrowverse did it right between those Flash vs Green Arrow fights IMO. It proably didn't help also that this version of Superman is barely established and is really only known for one thing now and that is lossing the fight. All his acomplishments have been in the past and offscreen which really makes me wonder just how suited Superman works as a character in a supporting role. I mean he is Space Jesus meets the Terminator and has this big legacy in comic books that can maybe only be matched by Batman. It would be like bringing in Tom Hanks into "Castaway" and giving him the part of the friend who is in the first part and last part of the movie instead of the starring role. I do think the actor has nailed the part down. He has has the kindness and maturity that goes with the role but he now needs some kickbutt stuff to go along with it.

Jason
 
Is it me or is the Superman vs Supergirl fight going to be the lasting legacy of the show?
Jason
Only in these threads. The greater world doesn't even know it happened. I guess you're right in a way. If it is defining for Supergirl to dominate Superman then we've done it! Girl power by emulation :bolian:
 
Is it me or is the Superman vs Supergirl fight going to be the lasting legacy of the show? We are still talking about it and it's got to be over a year.

I think that's just because one or two posters are obsessed with it and keep bringing it up again and again. The rest of us don't care. Heck, superheroes fighting each other when they team up is the normal state of affairs in comics, and nobody sensible would expect the title character of the series to lose the fight to the guest star, although such things usually end up in ties. But to anyone with a basic understanding of story structure, it's obvious why Supergirl had to win, so that she would be positioned as "Earth's champion" and therefore entitled to challenge Rhea to decisive single combat. Which she had to do because it's her show, duh. For almost everyone, this is a very straightforward matter. But the problem with the Internet is that a single person with an unshakeable grudge can keep dragging threads back onto the same topic over and over again. The best thing to do is just not engage, but it can be hard to resist.


Me I didn't like it because I am big believer in the idea of all fights between beloved Comic book characters should end in a drawl.

In a drawl? As in, "Goldarn it, pardner, I reckon ya done went and beat me"? ;)

Everyone should come away happy just to see their favorite get their licks in and show off their powers and leave it at that.

If it were always handled the same way in every situation without variation, that would be boring. Sometimes there's a good story reason for giving the victory to a specific character, as I mentioned above. A tie wouldn't have served the specific story arc they were building, an arc that needed to culminate in Supergirl vs. Rhea.


It proably didn't help also that this version of Superman is barely established and is really only known for one thing now and that is lossing the fight.

Once again, you're mistaking the fixation of one or two posters on this single BBS with the general public's reaction to the character. What Tyler Hoechlin's Superman is largely known for, beyond this particular forum, is being a terrific Superman, really capturing the essence of the character even in his brief appearances to date. As for the fight with Supergirl, I think most people would agree that the really significant thing is not that he lost, but that he was okay with it. That's part and parcel of what a well-portrayed Superman he is, because Superman is all about bringing out the best in others rather than stroking his own ego. So it's just one facet of his entire characterization.


All his acomplishments have been in the past and offscreen which really makes me wonder just how suited Superman works as a character in a supporting role.

He's worked pretty well so far. Heck, the fact that he's so well-known and familiar to the audience is a reason why he works quite well as an occasional guest star, because we already have the background knowledge and don't need a lot explained to us.


I mean he is Space Jesus meets the Terminator

Hmm... I wouldn't have thought of the Terminator as a comparison, because Superman isn't really violent as a rule. He's more a protector than a destroyer. And I'm not crazy about the Jesus parallels that have been showing up in Superman stories since the Donner movies. If anything, Superman's story (which was thought up by a couple of Jewish kids, remember) bears more resemblance to Moses -- cast adrift in a small craft by his doomed parents, carried along until he was found and adopted, etc. He does grow up to be a sort of savior, but he doesn't save us by dying for our sins, he saves us by punching bad guys, which isn't very Christlike. If anything, he's arguably more in the vein of American folk heroes like Paul Bunyan.
 
I doubt anyone even cares about Superman vs Supergirl outside of this thread. Even then the majority of people here find it laughable.

I got to admit that is part of the fun with the issue at this point. Comedy potential. It's always nice to have nerd outrage creating so many future jokes to be used. I wouldn't say it's reached the Trek canon levels yet and nothing will beat penis rock but it's moving up the charts.

Jason
 
Could The Doctor beat Superman? :p

Hmmm... There have been stories (going as far back as the '40s radio series) where Superman's super-hearing has made him vulnerable to sound-based attacks... and the Doctor does have a sonic screwdriver.

Then again, Superman would just need one burst of heat vision and the screwdriver would end up about the same as in "The Visitation."
 
Blurb from Variety's Fall TV Preview:

“This season, we’re telling allegorical stories about real life issues that are incredibly topical and current. We want to explore how Supergirl can face the challenges that many of us are facing, so that she can inspire us to stand up against these types of injustices, too. Also, because Kara is a reporter, she’ll be reporting on many of the issues that our country is facing. We’ll be able to tackle issues of the press in this way and hopefully tell stories, which show how important a fair and free press is to democracy.”

– Jessica Queller and Robert Rovner, executive producers
 
Blurb from Variety's Fall TV Preview:

“This season, we’re telling allegorical stories about real life issues that are incredibly topical and current. We want to explore how Supergirl can face the challenges that many of us are facing, so that she can inspire us to stand up against these types of injustices, too. Also, because Kara is a reporter, she’ll be reporting on many of the issues that our country is facing. We’ll be able to tackle issues of the press in this way and hopefully tell stories, which show how important a fair and free press is to democracy.”

– Jessica Queller and Robert Rovner, executive producers

I assume this will all be very subtle and nuanced and nobody will complain at all this upcoming season.:)
 
This is not a time when political commentary should be subtle and nuanced. When the house is on fire, you don't look for a subtle way to sound the alarm.

Why not? It's not like the rules of drama or comedy change just because the world is on fire. Granted it's not really a big deal with this kind of show because what they do works okay and they don't seem to aspire to be anything more than sort of pleasant filler with a message done in away kids can understand and that works okay for a CW show but it's hard to take it as a serious deep exploration of modern society or as some evil SJW brainwashing the other side likes to talk about. I guess that I just don't like the show enough to be overly offended or inspired. Even when I see something I disagree with like Superman loosing the fight I actually find the outrage more hilarious than anything else and I actually agree he shouldn't loose. Some of jokes making fun of the outrage has been comedy gold. Granted the less than subtle stuff is pretty funny to make fun of as well and the show is fun to talk about because the butthurt stuff creates the necessary conflict and humor one would expect when you get people taking a show like this to serious. That also might be just me and how I can find humor in anything. Still if people want some serious social commentary I think we all know their are better shows out their for that like "Mr Robot" "Black Mirror", "Atlanta" and "Handmaid's Tale" just to name a few examples.

Jason
 
Why not? It's not like the rules of drama or comedy change just because the world is on fire.

And when the hell has there ever been a "rule" that every single story had to be written the same way? Have you ever seen the movies that came out during World War II? Or listened to the Superman radio series from the same era? There was plenty of blatant propaganda and patriotic rallying and overt statements about what we were fighting for, even though there was also more subtle commentary. Casablanca is a marvelously nuanced allegory about the importance of America (symbolized by Rick) putting aside its isolationism and sacrificing its self-interest for the greater good of the world, but it also includes some extremely overt and not even slightly veiled anti-Nazi sentiment. The La Marseillaise scene is one of the most unsubtle pieces of political propaganda you'll ever see in a movie, but it's also one of the most brilliant and unforgettable moments in one of the best films ever made.
 
And when the hell has there ever been a "rule" that every single story had to be written the same way? Have you ever seen the movies that came out during World War II? Or listened to the Superman radio series from the same era? There was plenty of blatant propaganda and patriotic rallying and overt statements about what we were fighting for, even though there was also more subtle commentary. Casablanca is a marvelously nuanced allegory about the importance of America (symbolized by Rick) putting aside its isolationism and sacrificing its self-interest for the greater good of the world, but it also includes some extremely overt and not even slightly veiled anti-Nazi sentiment. The La Marseillaise scene is one of the most unsubtle pieces of political propaganda you'll ever see in a movie, but it's also one of the most brilliant and unforgettable moments in one of the best films ever made.

I think the difference is quality of writing. I don't think anyone is going to be putting this show in the same league as "Casablanca" or someone like Aaron Sorkin whose shows were very very political but people loved them because he is a brilliant writer. It is what it is. It's a very safe show despite what Alt Right types might say because the things they rail against are not controversial to anyone other than them but I don't think many liberals find it very challenging either because it basically just says the stuff we agree with. I've always said this show really needs a few assholes on the show and at least one conservative type to sort of creates some internal conflict so it's not just a bunch of friends hanging out with each other if they wanted to elevate the show but they seem to prefer the "TNG" were all one big happy family style instead and they seem happy with that way and many people like it so I am happy people like it. I understand the appeal because I became a Trek fan because of "TNG" because it appealed to me when I was really unhappy with my life at that time after leaving my friends and moving back with my mom before my final year of high school. Granted I now see the flaws with the show but at that time and when i was still young it was important to me. It also still has the most nostalgic value of all the Trek shows.

Jason
 
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