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Supergirl - Season Four
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wtf?
Yeah, if Superman was a woman, Supergirl wouldn't be able to beat her so the season 2 finale would make no sense, much like that suggestion
Yeah, if Superman was a woman, Supergirl wouldn't be able to beat her so the season 2 finale would make no sense, much like that suggestion
Can you imagine the heads exploding?
The title probably has more to do with the two Karas and how the comparison/difference provides some sort of perspective.
If it's him, kill the genocidal pedophile on sight.
I see where you're coming from, and honestly, despite our occasional disagreements, you're one of the more level headed members of this board. That said, the subject of race is so misunderstood (deliberately so by some--a reason it will never not be explosive here in America) that it must be laid out as clearly as possible.
Regarding other perspectives, where the behavior of a (fictional) black teenager is concerned, this is a problem when certain people (such as dodge) have no frame of reference, experience or have engaged the subject (i.e.. black males about their lives and...perspectives which gives valuable insight into their reactions to a great number of internal & external causes / experiences), yet have the temerity to shoot the same kind of destructive, offensive, false judgement used throughout time as a means of negatively judging a black male's behavior (terminology may have changed but the meaning behind this kind of language is the same), historically having racism as its root inspiration, as a result, my conclusion is justified.
Moreover--and this crucial--we also have to remember that the use of masculinity as a negative toward black males has been a tool of the dominant white society for centuries. Its one of the oldest forms of behavior & language weaponized against black people (in this case, America) such as :
- "Too aggressive"
- "Too sexual"
- "Too confident"
But it all begins with the continued hammering of black male masculinity as a negative. Even the murdered teenager Trayvon Martin was--in death--attacked by several in the news media & endless people in social media as being the "aggressor" although George Zimmerman murdered him. Think of it: Martin had been running away from Zimmerman (who had no business chasing after the teen in the first place), but Martin--the victim--was routinely called a "thug" for his "aggressive" behavior which--by their judgement--"earned" his death. Part of the belief that his behavior was a "natural" symptom of a "disease" of negative black masculinity.
The result (behavior) never justifies the either the racist myth of "toxic masculinity" in relation to black males (or specifically in the Khalil character) or--as in the Martin case--argues behavior as a symptom of a larger "disease" of black males as if they are the problem. The dominant white society weaponizes language & behavior in black males to be the ultimate negative, no matter what said behavior is. .
You have just zeroed in on a key problem: as you point out, "toxic masculinity" is a broad, inexact, umbrella term, which by the very nature of broad and inexact means its lacking in detail, history...facts. Any judgement not based on fact, detail and history cannot accurately label something as specific as the experiences/behavior of a black male in under any circumstance. All that's left for this broad, inexact term where the Khalil matter is concerned is to be filled with whatever suits motives / agenda of the user, and in this case, its racist assumptions since the behavior of the Khalil character was not comparable to or based on any other type or group, nor did dodge ever provide a reasoned explanation.
A deliberately built, institutionalized, race-based white society exists now as it did in decades gone by. Recall the findings of the Kerner report again:
What is that saying? Its saying that there was a dominant, separate white society, one that created and control institutions that purposely, negatively impact a black society it is undeniably separated from. As noted yesterday, to the black people I know, no matter where they live in the country, they would not hesitate to tell you that those same, race based institutions (including education & criminal justice) / social beliefs and a real divide still exists some 50 years after the Kerner report. Their voices are most relevant in defining the nature of the present-day, anything but "united" states.
This is the same "united" states now largely split along racial lines on the subject of NFL players protesting police brutality against / shooting of unarmed black men during the national anthem (note how the most outspoken media critics and NFL fans against the protests are white, with a Reuters poll showing 63% of whites disapproving of the protests), which speaks to the larger, more threatening issue of standing against (or simply not caring) about unarmed black men shot down / criminal justice abuses.Of course, there's also Trump--the president--weighing in, referring to the player/protestors as "son of a bitches", demanding they lose their jobs. This is what's not happening in a vacuum or is some isolated event. Its telling the world how America operates.
If that point of view stems from a false, frankly dangerous, racist belief/judgement--exactly the shit dodge posted--then it is not only incorrect, but it serves no constructive purpose...unless one is willing to criticize the person delivering that judgement to illustrate how incorrect they are. Otherwise, one could (and have) defended Trump's sickening false equivalency comment about the Charlottesville racists (a murderer among them) and the counter protesters under the belief that it's not "correct" or "incorrect" when any sane mind knows Trump was wrong in every sense. That's the same stage dodge's nauseating, racist post stands .
Well, you did come off as digging in to find any influence other than Christianity in some of your posts.Just sayin'.
dodge pulled that accusation out of a place where the sun does not shine, so to speak. There's no evidence on which that "older man / younger woman" line was based. None.I would ask the liar to produce evidence of that "older man/younger woman" accusation, but Its simply another dodge lie exposed. Thankfully, there's enough casting precedent with Clark and Lois that no one is going to have a 20 year gap between the characters/performers.
I had a far different reaction reading dodge's unashamedly racist judgement of the Khalil character. I can only imagine what the Black Lightning season two thread will reveal.
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@TREK_GOD_1
Was this worth it?
You made a few inappropriate remarks about an actress' appearance which several people responded to incredulously.
You could have stopped there, you didn't.
Out of those replies, you commented on mine by elaborating that the actress is too old and looks too old, and then tried to weasel out by saying that everybody else had a problem with younger people.
You could have stopped there, you didn't.
When I called out your weaseling out... well... you could have stopped there too.
But no.
You had to go on a four page rant about me personally, and a discussion from five months ago completely unrelated to this show, or any conversation here. You seem to think that this would make me look bad? I stand by every word I said there, I've linked the discussion here already, and I'll link it here again for the hypothetical two new people that don't know you yet and may think your account of it is even remotely accurate. I have nothing else to say, nor anything to defend on that matter. Fell free to continue yelling at the clouds if you wish.
That's the thing, innit, you seem to think that yelling over people until everyone leaves in disgust is "winning" an argument? I assure you it's not, though I don't expect you to believe me or act in any manner that isn't in line with your character. But do believe this, even though I've no intention of participating in this current charade, if you think I won't call out your bullshit next time it happens, you are sorely, sorely mistaken.
Since I know you realized your comments were sexist, because you tried to weasel out of them(and failed) first by avoiding the direct questions to your comment, and then with the whole "Andrew Garfield is a guy, you're the ones with the problem" shtick you tried I will leave you with this thought... next time you're at the very first step and you realize what you're about to post might be construed as sexist, before posting it just think carefully, was all this really worth it?
Was this worth it?
You made a few inappropriate remarks about an actress' appearance which several people responded to incredulously.
You could have stopped there, you didn't.
Out of those replies, you commented on mine by elaborating that the actress is too old and looks too old, and then tried to weasel out by saying that everybody else had a problem with younger people.
You could have stopped there, you didn't.
When I called out your weaseling out... well... you could have stopped there too.
But no.
You had to go on a four page rant about me personally, and a discussion from five months ago completely unrelated to this show, or any conversation here. You seem to think that this would make me look bad? I stand by every word I said there, I've linked the discussion here already, and I'll link it here again for the hypothetical two new people that don't know you yet and may think your account of it is even remotely accurate. I have nothing else to say, nor anything to defend on that matter. Fell free to continue yelling at the clouds if you wish.
That's the thing, innit, you seem to think that yelling over people until everyone leaves in disgust is "winning" an argument? I assure you it's not, though I don't expect you to believe me or act in any manner that isn't in line with your character. But do believe this, even though I've no intention of participating in this current charade, if you think I won't call out your bullshit next time it happens, you are sorely, sorely mistaken.
Since I know you realized your comments were sexist, because you tried to weasel out of them(and failed) first by avoiding the direct questions to your comment, and then with the whole "Andrew Garfield is a guy, you're the ones with the problem" shtick you tried I will leave you with this thought... next time you're at the very first step and you realize what you're about to post might be construed as sexist, before posting it just think carefully, was all this really worth it?
I'm walking away at this point, can't see this ending with anything other than infractions all around.
For what its worth @TREK_GOD_1, I do get a lot of what you are saying, but I also see it as a massive stretch to see @dodge as being racist because she had a different read on a fictional situation.
Either way, take care guys.
For what its worth @TREK_GOD_1, I do get a lot of what you are saying, but I also see it as a massive stretch to see @dodge as being racist because she had a different read on a fictional situation.
Either way, take care guys.
Pink Kryptonite.
Sounds plausible, but also on an unrelated note if they ever wanted to do their version of the Red Lantern Supergirl story, this would be a time to do it with the "clone" Kara, since the regular Kara is not nearly angry enough to attract the ring.
Angry?
How about Cat Grant?
How about Cat Grant?
She'd never be caught dead accessorizing with that sort of kitsch bright red abomination on her finger
Then maybe a Toe ring?
Why would Superman be a woman? That doesn't make sense.Yeah, if Superman was a woman, Supergirl wouldn't be able to beat her so the season 2 finale would make no sense, much like that suggestion
They were referencing Clark admitting that he is sissy in s02e22.
Superman should be stronger than Supergirl just because his muscles are larger because he is 2 to three times larger than she is depending on which version of the two characters, from which continuity/universe that we are talking about. Big = Strong.
Supergirl fought Teri Hatcher in the season two final fight because Clark noticed that Kara was "much" stronger than he is, which because their strength doesn't actually come from their muscles, but from their ability to process sunlight, is altogether possible.
In the real world Supergirl was made stronger because it's her show.
A less optimistic, macho sexist person however may say that there's a gynocentrist vagenda at work that is trying to turn men into cucks because "they" (The cartoonishly Liberal Supergirl's Writers Room) think that all woman are (so very much, much) better than all men.
Therefore...
If retroactively Clark had been female all along, Clarkinella would have stayed stronger than Kara in season 2, and then there would have been no need to topple the 70 years of existing continuity that a fully grown massive adult is more stronger than the slight waify younger adult, or sometimes even, a child, depending on which versions of the character we are talking about.
Therefore, therefore...
The Supergirl writers room would have been fine with a retroactively female version of Superman being stronger than their star, because it's a liberal club who only live to make (real) men feel collared and castrated.
Sentiments of weirdos obviously.
It was in scathing reference to a stupid comment upthread about him having been forcibly transgendered.
Nope
Or they could be well aware of the current continuity in the comics where she has been much stronger than him for some time, long before Supergirl as a show existed in fact, because Kryptonian strength doesn't rely on muscles?
The problem is that neither Supergirl nor Superman strength train.
If one of them has a weird biological advantage over the other, it's completely by accident.
Supergirl comics have been unreadable for some time.
(I loved the Peter David run in the 1990s.)
If one of them has a weird biological advantage over the other, it's completely by accident.
Supergirl comics have been unreadable for some time.
(I loved the Peter David run in the 1990s.)
Which is something no one should have a problem with. This is usually the way these things work.
