Spoilers Supergirl - Season 5

[JanewayRulz!]

Realizing that this year's finale was not what was planned, especially given Jon Cryers comment last month about the need to rewrite the ep to fit scenes already filmed ("Oh! Did I not get defeated? Wait a minute, I like this!") I think the ep worked fine.

It finished the prolonged battle between Kara and Lena, and let Kara drop her goody two shoes attitude long enough to really let Lena know how she felt.

"I made one mistake, not telling you my truth, and you hurt me in every way imaginable, pretending to be my friend for weeks, you stole from me, you manipulated me to steal for you, you used KRYPYONITE on me!"

I really liked how Kara kept returning to the idea of "her truth"/her secret, that people in on her secret were at risk because of it and Kara was trying to keep Lena safe from that.

Other things I liked were the little things like when Melissa played J'onn impersonating Supergirl, she walked/stood like him, and when she played M'gann's version of the SG doppelganger, SG smiled like M'gann. ETA, or when Alex and Lena both blurted out the same praise and Alex looked up and said "jinx", it was a reminder of when these two were friendly collaborators.

I liked how they wove the three story lines together in the end, with SG, Lena , and female Brainy each exhorting their subject with "I believe in you."

I wish we could have seen Eve confess her role in Jerimiah's death. Without some truthtelling she is still at Lex's mercy, but I understand the time factor / COVID19 crunch was a huge issue, so like Chyler requested in a recent interview, I'll give them some slack.

I too wish Leviathan was over, but now we have to deal with whomever Gamemnae reported to next season. I was guessing Gaia, but I don't think she would sell out her Earth to a handful of aliens.

I look forward to seeing more of Lillian Luthor next year, a refinement to Alex's suit (no hoodie, please!), and the return of game night. I don't look forward to more William, sigh, not sure if I can honestly differentiate between my antipathy for the actor vs my belief there's no chemistry between him and our star.

I must admit laughing when he agreed to letting Kara cauterize his wound then exclaimed "NO, don't!" But that was the only time I tolerated him. Maybe he'll interview Eve for hours and the two will fall in love and run off together?

 

[Christopher]

If the bullet was a through-and-through, though, wouldn't Supergirl have needed to cauterize both the entry and exit wounds? Did her heat vision go all the way through???

 

[TREK_GOD_1]

Which is not good writing. I don't have a problem with the arc. But this shouldn't have been a redemption arc. Lena should have gone full villain and stayed there. It is a weakness in Supergirl's character that this is ok.

Supergirl sweeping Lena's crimes under the carpet is exactly how the showrunners wanted it, because in their minds, there's only certain characters who are evil and beyond redemption, even when their crimes pale in comparison to one who believes in and experiments with a eugenics program.

It's not just that -- these heroes aren't likeable enough for you to root for them. The villain is more fun to watch.

..and so much of the time in many a Berlanti-ville series, the heroes are just there. Not enough substance or interesting traits worth watching

 

[JD]

Why do you even watch the show if you hate it so much?
All you do every week is complain.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Where is Superman during all this? I thought he was back on Earth.
I wish they would move on from the Lena stuff. I just don’t care anymore.

Nobody cares.

 

[JanewayRulz!]

If the bullet was a through-and-through, though, wouldn't Supergirl have needed to cauterize both the entry and exit wounds? Did her heat vision go all the way through???

Yup.

I don't think she can fine tune the depth of her heat vision.

 

[Photoman15]

Yup.

I don't think she can fine tune the depth of her heat vision.

Doesn't Superman use his heat vision (via mirror) to shave? He needs mighty fine control to do that.

 

[Guy Gardener]

Yup.

I don't think she can fine tune the depth of her heat vision.

Well, we saw her increase her output to the point that she ran out of juice in a few minutes, back when Supergirl fought Red Tornado.

Although that is probably control, and not "fine" control.

 

[JanewayRulz!]

Doesn't Superman use his heat vision (via mirror) to shave? He needs mighty fine control to do that.

Or his skin is so impenatrable that his heat vision can only shear off the whiskers when he uses it on himself.

 

[Kirk Prime]

Supergirl sweeping Lena's crimes under the carpet is exactly how the showrunners wanted it, because in their minds, there's only certain characters who are evil and beyond redemption, even when their crimes pale in comparison to one who believes in and experiments with a eugenics program.

Which is why I think Supergirl needs a complete facelift. I wish it could be more like the first season and a half or so.

..and so much of the time in many a Berlanti-ville series, the heroes are just there. Not enough substance or interesting traits worth watching

That's a good point.

Why do you even watch the show if you hate it so much?
All you do every week is complain.

So you think boards like this one are only for people who share the exact same opinion? No dissent allowed?

For me, it's the who the characters are. I'm a big fan of Superman, and Supergirl is an offshoot of that. Her portrayal in other media has been very good, and the show started off incredible.

The character still has potential, but she needs new writers. The show needs to lose some of the supporting characters and have the title character carry the show more. Some of the casting was not very good either.

I watch the show out of loyalty to a character despite that character being written poorly--and Cryer's Lex is awesome.

I don't watch Batwoman because I don't have that loyalty to the character. Yet at this point, I don't think anyone should tell people to not watch a show whose ratings are as bad as Supergirl's.

 

[JD]

So you think boards like this one are only for people who share the exact same opinion? No dissent allowed?

Dissenting opinions are fine, but it also gets old when people complain again and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, after every single episode. Especially when it's the same basic complaints every single time.

For me, it's the who the characters are. I'm a big fan of Superman, and Supergirl is an offshoot of that. Her portrayal in other media has been very good, and the show started off incredible.

The character still has potential, but she needs new writers. The show needs to lose some of the supporting characters and have the title character carry the show more. Some of the casting was not very good either.
I watch the show out of loyalty to a character despite that character being written poorly--and Cryer's Lex is awesome.

Sure, but no matter how loyal you are and how much you liked a show in the past when you have disliked multiple episodes, over multiple seasons, after a while you just need to accept that it just isn't for you any more and move on. Star Trek is my absolute favorite franchise in all of media, but I still gave up on Enterprise part way through the second season, because I just wasn't liking it anymore. There have been a few other shows that I loved at one point, but eventually stopped enjoying them and stopped watching, rather than forcing myself to watch something I wasn't enjoying. The two best example were Law & Order: SVU and CSI: Miami, I honestly can't remember why I stopped SVU, but I remember CSI: Miami lost me because it started getting just stupidly over the top. I remember with Miami, the one that finally did it for me was when a gang attacked a courthouse with a rocket launcher and then freed one of the guys and took off, the whole thing was just too ridiculous for me.

I don't watch Batwoman because I don't have that loyalty to the character. Yet at this point, I don't think anyone should tell people to not watch a show whose ratings are as bad as Supergirl's

. You should give it a try, it's better than Supergirl and the Flash have been the last couple seasons.

 

[Kirk Prime]

Dissenting opinions are fine, but it also gets old when people complain again and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, after every single episode. Especially when it's the same basic complaints every single time.

If they don't correct the problem, then of course the complaints will remain the same. I get your point of course, but that's part of discourse and discussion.

Sure, but no matter how loyal you are and how much you liked a show in the past when you have disliked multiple episodes, over multiple seasons, after a while you just need to accept that it just isn't for you any more and move on. Star Trek is my absolute favorite franchise in all of media, but I still gave up on Enterprise part way through the second season, because I just wasn't liking it anymore. There have been a few other shows that I loved at one point, but eventually stopped enjoying them and stopped watching, rather than forcing myself to watch something I wasn't enjoying. The two best example were Law & Order: SVU and CSI: Miami, I honestly can't remember why I stopped SVU, but I remember CSI: Miami lost me because it started getting just stupidly over the top. I remember with Miami, the one that finally did it for me was when a gang attacked a courthouse with a rocket launcher and then freed one of the guys and took off, the whole thing was just too ridiculous for me.

Sometimes that does happen with me. It's rare. But it does. I quit on Quantico in the middle of Season 2 or 3. I forget which one. I've quit on some shows.

The key is that Supergirl sometimes does do well. It's not like Enterprise for me where it was all bad. I quit on Teen Wolf midway through like the 4th or 5th season. I never started with Batwoman because the trailer was just so obnoxious that, combined with a character I didn't care about, I knew it made no sense to watch.

The Arrowverse still has merit for me, and Supergirl hasn't quite hit that point with me.

 

[Kirk Prime]

You should give it a try, it's better than Supergirl and the Flash have been the last couple seasons.

Sorry--missed this one. It's no secret that I am not a fan of the woke culture. It's not entertaining to me at all, and I don't know if I would be able to stomach Batwoman. But I will say that I had no issue with the character in the crossovers other than the ridiculous idea that she would be a paragon.

 

[TREK_GOD_1]

Which is why I think Supergirl needs a complete facelift. I wish it could be more like the first season and a half or so.

I'm guessing next season will be its last, and even it continued, the showrunners have made it clear they are doubling down on the direction the series has taken over the past few seasons.

So you think boards like this one are only for people who share the exact same opinion? No dissent allowed?

While it can come off like that from time to time, I do not believe that was the intent from the start. In any case, members do express dissenting opinions on media, even if certain people are upset by opinions not in lockstep with their own.

For me, it's the who the characters are. I'm a big fan of Superman, and Supergirl is an offshoot of that. Her portrayal in other media has been very good, and the show started off incredible.

Season one was okay, but the seeds of where Berlanti, et al wanted take the show were being planted. Perhaps being on CBS kept various showrunner ideologies at bay, because the second it moved to CW it rapidly transformed into another kind of series.

The character still has potential, but she needs new writers. The show needs to lose some of the supporting characters and have the title character carry the show more. Some of the casting was not very good either.

With MB having a child, its unlikely she will have more screen time. Do not be surprised if the series pulls the very old TV plot deice of having a pregnant actress or mother with a newborn "out of town" with brief shots of her only responding by

Dissenting opinions are fine, but it also gets old when people complain again and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, after every single episode. Especially when it's the same basic complaints every single time.

No different than some who go on and on and on about their favorite aspect of the Berlanti shows, whether its a character, message or anything else, which has been posted in one way or another for years. Should they stop posting opinions that anyone in these threads know as well as their own?

I remember with Miami, the one that finally did it for me was when a gang attacked a courthouse with a rocket launcher and then freed one of the guys and took off, the whole thing was just too ridiculous for me.

The way you recalled it makes it sound so over-the-top its like something that would've happened on the Leslie Nielsen show Police Squad!
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[Tuskin38]

It's no secret that I am not a fan of the woke culture.

Then why are you a Star Trek fan? Star Trek has been 'woke' since 1966.

 

[Kai "the spy"]

Then why are you a Star Trek fan? Star Trek has been 'woke' since 1966.

Sorry, but I hate that argument, because it's stupid. It is absolutely legitimate to by a Trek fan simply for escapism. I'm personally a huge fan of Conan the Barbarian, but that doesn't mean that I agree with some of the (often not that subtle) subtext of Robert E. Howard's stories.
And let's face it, TOS might have been woke in its day, but if you weren't there back then and only grew up with it in later decades, it does not seem that woke at all.

 

[Christopher]

It is absolutely legitimate to by a Trek fan simply for escapism.

But that does not make it legitimate to say ST is doing something wrong by being socially conscious. Respect for difference of opinion goes both ways.

 

[Kai "the spy"]

I agree. But then, you also can't make somebody watch something, much less make them like it. In this case, it's his loss, anyway.

 

[JD]

No different than some who go on and on and on about their favorite aspect of the Berlanti shows, whether its a character, message or anything else, which has been posted in one way or another for years. Should they stop posting opinions that anyone in these threads know as well as their own?

Most of those people aren't as repetitive and don't distract attempts at conversations about other aspects of the show the way you guys do.

The way you recalled it makes it sound so over-the-top its like something that would've happened on the Leslie Nielsen show Police Squad!

That's pretty much how it felt.
I actually found part of the scene on Youtube.

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[Kai "the spy"]

That's pretty much how it felt.
I actually found part of the scene on Youtube.

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