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Spoilers Supergirl - Season 5

I don't mind so much that the fans can be progressive--fine. But that's just blatant pandering, and insulting even because it says flat out that a black character can't make it without a writer patting them on the head and changing a white character.

My point is that the white liberals who are behind shows of this kind tokenized the James Olsen character; he was there only to be "different", yet the showrunners had no intention--actually a damn responsibility to present and explore what it meant for Olsen as a black male in that environment, which is completely removed from his association to others with their own identity concerns. All the showrunners did was have Olsen spout off endless support for every other belief/cause (in some cases, as if there was any sort of suggested equivalency) but he was never written to "go deep" on the identity/experiences that a black man in the news media, in basic life, and the fictional side of superhero business has to endure. One scene of a black kid recognizing James as the Guardian, or his (James) Judging Amy script rip was weak and illustrated just how unimportant this black male character was to a series that trumpets the endless details of other groups--but not his.

I've seen this kind of tokenized mistreatment in entertainment for decades, and there's no excuse for it, especially on a 21st century series like this one. He was flavor--not substance, which, in the grand scheme of it all, I found extremely offensive. Since Brooks was cast as Olsen, they could have used as much of the comic source's life as they desired, but change the essential part, so that the comic character would be represented, but again, his essence reroutes the comic history, taking it in a new direction always tied to who he is, which is not uncommon to comic characters, as seen at the dawn of the Silver Age, and in any of the reimagined / alternate characters which has a continued presence in comic lore.

Again, that did not happen,, and four seasons and four episodes in, Olsen was shuffled off with another throwaway story, and one not doing anything to build on the crucial, worldview-directing specifics of his life.
 
This week's episode was a lot better than the last two.
I was pretty happy with how the Malefic story ended, up until that last scene with Lena.
She really does seem to be going farther and farther down the villain path at this point.
The reveal that Day is actually a decent guy investigating Andrea Rojas was an unexpected twist. I found the comic book version of Rojas on Wikipedia, and apparently she was actually a hero with the ability use shadows to teleport.
The relationship stuff in this one was a lot more enjoyable than the last couple episodes.
I liked the way they ended things with Jimmy, this definitely felt a lot more appropriate for the character than having him go off to be a Senator or something.
 
The camera was indeed badly damaged a few seasons back, and I assumed it was a total loss, but it's easy enough to conclude he had it repaired.

That's a bit weak, considering it was the tragic death of that camera, cut down in the prime of life, that caused James to become the grim specter of justice, the vengeance of the oppressed, the Guardian. Doesn't it take something away from his tragic origin story if the camera just had some reparable cosmetic damage? Assuming that isn't a divide-by-zero error?

I can't believe he could put on that armor every week and I still forgot he was a superhero more often than I forgot he was supposed to be twerpy little Jimmy Olsen, all grown up.
 
Speaking of Jimmy, I had a bit of a middle-of-the-night epiphany. So the kid he and Kelly befriended was named "Simon Kirby," which I immediately recognized as a nod to the famous comic-book creative team of Joe Simon and Jack Kirby. What I didn't realize was why.

But Simon and Kirby created the Newsboy Legion back in the '40s. Per Wikipedia:
A group of orphans, living on the streets of Suicide Slum, they were so named because they sold newspapers to make a living. They were also frequently in trouble with the law, although local policeman Jim Harper had a soft spot for them. In their first appearance, Harper, shortly after becoming the Guardian, also becomes the Newsboys' legal guardian.
And then Kirby reintroduced the Newsboy Legion in the pages of Superman's Pal, Jimmy Olsen in the early 70's, and they've been frequently associated with the character ever since. So that's what the Simon Kirby name and character is referring to.
 
I can't believe he could put on that armor every week and I still forgot he was a superhero more often than I forgot he was supposed to be twerpy little Jimmy Olsen, all grown up.

The image of Jimmy Olsen as "twerpy" is based mainly on Jack Larson from the '50s TV series and Marc McClure in the movies. The original Jimmy on radio was created to be a cool, intrepid kid as an identification figure for the audience, someone that the boys listening to the show could imagine themselves to be as he went on daring, spectacular adventures as Superman's best friend and trusted ally. The Jimmy of the comics was an adventurer in his own right, with his own namesake title for 20 years, a bevy of love interests, and an evolving career that ended up with him as a world-famous, award-winning, globetrotting investigative TV journalist by the 1970s.

So the Supergirl version was basically the most comics-faithful screen depiction of Jimmy we've ever had, or at least the only one that drew on his later comics career instead of his early days as usually depicted onscreen. Although it did follow suit with every screen adaptation since 1978 in making Jimmy a photographer instead of a cub reporter.
 
That's a bit weak, considering it was the tragic death of that camera, cut down in the prime of life, that caused James to become the grim specter of justice, the vengeance of the oppressed, the Guardian. Doesn't it take something away from his tragic origin story if the camera just had some reparable cosmetic damage? Assuming that isn't a divide-by-zero error?

The camera's damage mattered for a moment...then it all went up into a puff of smoke just to resurrect it for that empty "passing the torch" scene. The camera in relation to Olsen's own backstory did not have a sense of importance.

I can't believe he could put on that armor every week and I still forgot he was a superhero more often than I forgot he was supposed to be twerpy little Jimmy Olsen, all grown up.

That was easy to forget when Supergirl's James Olsen was the most marginalized, misused character in the series' history. The showrunners never cared about developing him, but he was used for the offensive act of tokenism, and his Guardian run was--ultimately--to give him something to do. Unlike other TV series, where the departure of a lead character had a major effect on the in-universe stories going forward, it was not a good minute after Olsen's bar room announcement before Kara was at Catco just tossing out a quickie "I'm happy for him" line, and that, as the expression goes, was that.
 
Even if I wasn't fond of James Olsen's character, I must admit that his exit was rather sweet and true to the character he was supposed to be :intelligent, kind, caring, selfless, brave and moral (a bit too much patronising for my taste -> cf to his little speech about the possession and use of firearms by civilians and even DEO agents in s3, among other things), with an urge to help people in any way possible => so, no senate run (while he was so wary of everything that turn around politics and politicians), just going back home to stand up and fight for everything he’s fought for in the past (what offers to producers the possibility to call Mehcad Brooks later to say a finale goodbye when the show will stop and even before if necessary, right?! ). That being said, returning to Calvintown after decades spent in big cities like Metropolis and National City, where the style and standard of living were very different from where he came from, taking again the reindeers of the local newspaper with the intention of using the power of the press to take on the corrupt political machine running and re-instil justice, respect in the town, with the help of his superheroic alter-ego the Gardian to act as" the Shield of Justice" if necessary, is highly disillusing but well, he can always dream! :whistle: Indeed, I remind you that most of the time, journalists from big to modest newspapers/magazines who tried to condemn publicly the uses of certain influential people in town were killed (cf to the 80 journalists who were killed in 2018 in real life) or if lucky, had to put the key under the door and be forced to leave with their families so much the said corruption intrinsically linked politicians, police, justice and even medias.
Of course, James Olsen can always count on Superman and Supergirl but, they will not be able to protect him from everything and all the time, especially if Metroplis or National City is under attack. As for the Guardian, we saw that he wasn't invulnerable, especially when he faced alone an dangerous alien.

For the rest:

- Lena Luthor: this character is really complex: while giving the impression of sinking more and more, in the same time, it is like there is a fine rope attached to her waist which holds her to the precipice edge and prevents her from falling completly, body and soul.
(A charitable act that would compensate for the harm she is about to do? => I note that she hasn’t, technically, hurt anyone in the process of conducting her research ... yet.)

I note too that she keeps acting as effective and empathic (I don't think she pretends her concern about J'onn's situation or Brainy's behaviour) as before but in the same time, she takes advantage of these opportunities to be in DEO HQ in middle of the band to keep an eye on people she considered as her good friends and material she can afterwards, borrow or steal for her personal use.
I really don't know where this storyline will go but it needs to stop quickly (maybe things will be resolved in the Crisis or just after), because in continuing to treat Lena as the Lex twin, it will be very difficult to return to a "normal" situation between Kara and her, even if Kara managed to save Lena's soul in time.

- Kara and William: So, the guy isn't as bad as Kara (and us) thought and way doing, they will surely have to work together to knock down Andrea Rojas/the Leviathan and eventually become friends but sorry, William as Kara's new love interest.NO, especially if this lovestory only lasts until the end of the season. I want to see Kara Danvers focusing on being a reporter, being Supergirl, and spending comfortable time with her family and friends.

- Kelly Olsen: even if I don't like her romantic association with Alex Danvers (again where is the chemistry between both actresses?), she becoming an instrumental part of the team and her new connection to Malefic, making her invaluable element is nice... and that change from her brother! :whistle:.

- Lena and Brainy : Interesting duet. They have an understanding of each other that isn’t shared by anyone else. The intelligence levels of Lena and Brainy isolate them a little from the rest of the world because they think about things much differently than anyone else does, and beat themselves up even worse when there is a problem they can’t figure out. And when these two come together and create a solution, magic happens! :techman: It was also the case with Lena & Winn. I can't wait to see him returning to National City! :hugegrin:

- Alex Danvers: is it me or since she took charge of the DEO, we haven’t really seen her actually be in charge. She barks her orders to her agents and clashes a lot with J'onn, Kara, Brainy over how to handle a situation... but at the end, she remains in background. What is her story even supposed to be about this season?

- J'onn and Malefic: the conflict is interesting but the treatment is boring. Wonder what will be Malefic's role in Crisis IF he has one.
 
Lena Luthor: this character is really complex: while giving the impression of sinking more and more, in the same time, it is like there is a fine rope attached to her waist which holds her to the precipice edge and prevents her from falling completly, body and soul.
(A charitable act that would compensate for the harm she is about to do? => I note that she hasn’t, technically, hurt anyone in the process of conducting her research ... yet.)

Over the course of the series, one man died due her research (last season with Adam and the use of Harun-El), and now Eve's own individual identity has been compromised by Lena merging her with the Hope A.I.

I note too that she keeps acting as effective and empathic (I don't think she pretends her concern about J'onn's situation or Brainy's behaviour) as before but in the same time, she takes advantage of these opportunities to be in DEO HQ in middle of the band to keep an eye on people she considered as her good friends and material she can afterwards, borrow or steal for her personal use.

Her "concern" was an act to keep them believing she has no negative feelings toward them, to maintain her freedom of access to DEO tech, but in this last episode, note how the second Supergirl turned to leave (after the handshake business) Lena's fake smile vanished in an instant. She is not at all conflicted, nor is she about her seasons-long belief in the evil of eugenics (last season, it was Lena who advocated creating super soldiers to protect earth from superpowered beings/aliens, and now its altering human behavior).

I really don't know where this storyline will go but it needs to stop quickly (maybe things will be resolved in the Crisis or just after), because in continuing to treat Lena as the Lex twin, it will be very difficult to return to a "normal" situation between Kara and her, even if Kara managed to save Lena's soul in time.

Eugenics--a deep belief in its "merits" is not something to just get over, or talk someone out of their philosophy on its alleged benefits. That is a character-defining trait.

Kara and William: So, the guy isn't as bad as Kara (and us) thought and way doing, they will surely have to work together to knock down Andrea Rojas/the Leviathan and eventually become friends but sorry, William as Kara's new love interest.NO

A few reviews ago, I suggested he was added to the series to serve the "needs" of that "cad with a heart of gold" BS trope (early Mon-El was the same), and I suspect he will end up being another typical soaper-style romantic interest.

Alex Danvers: is it me or since she took charge of the DEO, we haven’t really seen her actually be in charge. She barks her orders to her agents and clashes a lot with J'onn, Kara, Brainy over how to handle a situation... but at the end, she remains in background. What is her story even supposed to be about this season?

She does not have a story of her own..not often in any case. Hers is either about who she's dating, worrying about Supergirl or the fly-by-night baby subplot. As you observed, she barks at her co-workers, but not much else.
 
For the rest:

- Lena Luthor: this character is really complex: while giving the impression of sinking more and more, in the same time, it is like there is a fine rope attached to her waist which holds her to the precipice edge and prevents her from falling completly, body and soul.
(A charitable act that would compensate for the harm she is about to do? => I note that she hasn’t, technically, hurt anyone in the process of conducting her research ... yet.)
I note too that she keeps acting as effective and empathic (I don't think she pretends her concern about J'onn's situation or Brainy's behaviour) as before but in the same time, she takes advantage of these opportunities to be in DEO HQ in middle of the band to keep an eye on people she considered as her good friends and material she can afterwards, borrow or steal for her personal use.
I really don't know where this storyline will go but it needs to stop quickly (maybe things will be resolved in the Crisis or just after), because in continuing to treat Lena as the Lex twin, it will be very difficult to return to a "normal" situation between Kara and her, even if Kara managed to save Lena's soul in time.
I know this is shocking, but I'm actually gonna have to agree with @TREK_GOD_1 here, Lena is just playing nice because she doesn't want Kara and the DEO to know what she's really up to. The only reason she helped them was to get access to Malefic's telepathic abilities.
And I'm pretty sure she hurt Eve when she had Hope take over her body.
- Kara and William: So, the guy isn't as bad as Kara (and us) thought and way doing, they will surely have to work together to knock down Andrea Rojas/the Leviathan and eventually become friends but sorry, William as Kara's new love interest.NO, especially if this lovestory only lasts until the end of the season. I want to see Kara Danvers focusing on being a reporter, being Supergirl, and spending comfortable time with her family and friends.
Andrea Rojas is not "the Leviathan", Leviathan is an organization, not an individual. In the comics it was first a terrorist group led by Talia al Ghul who fought Batman and his allies, and now a new version under a different leader has popped up in the Superman comics and is going around taking out all of the different secret groups like the DEO.
- Alex Danvers: is it me or since she took charge of the DEO, we haven’t really seen her actually be in charge. She barks her orders to her agents and clashes a lot with J'onn, Kara, Brainy over how to handle a situation... but at the end, she remains in background. What is her story even supposed to be about this season?
Right now her story seems to be her relationship with Kelly. It's not much of a story, but it is there.
- J'onn and Malefic: the conflict is interesting but the treatment is boring. Wonder what will be Malefic's role in Crisis IF he has one.
Since The Monitor was the one who brought him to Earth, I'm pretty sure he'll have something to do with it, or at least the conflict with him will somehow impact the outcome.
 
Since The Monitor was the one who brought him to Earth, I'm pretty sure he'll have something to do with it, or at least the conflict with him will somehow impact the outcome.

I got the impression that siccing Malefic on Team Supergirl was another one of the Monitor's tests to see if the heroes of Earth-38 are worthy, like how Elseworlds was his test of Earth-1's heroes (and Earth-90 was wiped out by whatever test he inflicted on them).
 
Andrea Rojas is not "the Leviathan", Leviathan is an organization, not an individual. In the comics it was first a terrorist group led by Talia al Ghul who fought Batman and his allies, and now a new version under a different leader has popped up in the Superman comics and is going around taking out all of the different secret groups like the DEO.

Sorry, I used th "\" instead of "&". I wanted to write Andrea Rojas AND the Leviathan.

Right now her story seems to be her relationship with Kelly. It's not much of a story, but it is there.

Yeah but for me Alex/Kelly is as believable as James/Lena. So, boring and which brought nothing. :rolleyes:
(Alex is supposed to be a badass, ready to push the walls back to protect her sister Kara/Supergirl and now, she's reduced to play second fiddle… it is sad)

Since The Monitor was the one who brought him to Earth, I'm pretty sure he'll have something to do with it, or at least the conflict with him will somehow impact the outcome.

Maybe but the approach is not as clear as in Arrow and Flash, which, in recent épisodes, have put in place some clues leading to the event in Crisis (Oliver and Barry know that they risk to die in the coming weeks or months and their friends and families try to prevent this tragedy, while Supergirl continues to go about her business as if nothing had happened or about to arrive.
 
When is Pride Week in National City?

Maybe the DEO can sponsor a float, and Alex can cast out buckets of condoms to the throng??
 
Seeing him interact with the Legends could be fun, but I'd hate to see Supergirl lose him.
 
Yeah but for me Alex/Kelly is as believable as James/Lena. So, boring and which brought nothing. :rolleyes:
(Alex is supposed to be a badass, ready to push the walls back to protect her sister Kara/Supergirl and now, she's reduced to play second fiddle… it is sad)

Sad...or business as usual. On Supergirl, all other characters spend most of their time not having much development of their own and chase after Kara/SG in one way or another. Yes, she is the star character of the series, but a well written series has writers giving most of its supporting characters something to do that builds on their lives beyond one repeated sub-plot as well as tie them to the main arc of the season (see Black Lightning). With Alex, its about her dating life, or its chasing Kara, with little to no development about her beyond that--her job in particular. Why have her take the director job then rarely use her in that position? Oh well, after several seasons of this, do not expect anything to change.
 
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