Spoilers Supergirl - Season 5

[Ovation]

Last place we bought Poutine.

"vegan" poutine.

Very unappealing.

I live in the birthplace of poutine. There’s nothing “vegan” about a proper poutine. It requires fresh cheese curds (ideally never refrigerated—so, illegal in many places), a gravy containing animal fat and hand cut fries. The gravy having animal fat is negotiable. The proper cheese is not.

 

[Ghislaine H. B. BRAEME]

Since we approach the sensitive subject of ethnicity, I wonder why producers felt forced to hire a black actress, Azai Tesfai, to replace an outgoing black actor, Mehcad Brooks, as if they absolutely wanted to imposed to viewers a Black character to enter in an interracial couple (what they didn't manage to do with Lena/James, they insist to make it with Alex/Kelly).A question comes to my mind: are there still imposed quotas of actors/actresses according their ethnicities like in 70's-80's for current US productions, like Supergirl?
And don't get me wrong, I'm totally alright with mixed race couple on screens because fortunately, it happens in real life and it is a good thing but it should not make it feel like a forced pairing. It was for Lena/James (besides, 93% of fans, according to a Showcase poll, have shown their disapproval for this pairing, not because one was white and the other was black- even if I'm not stupid, that wouldhave annoyed some - but just because they was 0 chemistry between them and it's a safe bet to say the same thing with Alex/Kelly (since I saw both actresses sharing a scene at the hospital, I wondered what was so special between them to justify that they form a romantic couple in the future. A contrario, from the moment the hetero that I am saw Benoist/Kara and McGrath/Lena sharing a scene - even if there was Clark Kent/Superman with them - the chemistry was loud and clear to the point that I wouldn't mind to see them together.

I agree that there are a lot of Indian good actors on both sides of the Atlantic Naveen Andrews in particular who allies charm and talent but maybe a little too young and his 1,75 m is maybe not enough to perform Rama Khan...

 

[Guy Gardener]

Wrong quota.

Azai Tesfai was brought into replace a lesbian.

("Maggie" went over and did some stellar work on season three of Punisher.)

Blond gay doctor on Grey's Anatomy keeps getting a new blond lesbian Doctor, every time her old blond lesbian girlfriend doctor figures out what's wrong with her. The audience would get confused if there were ever more than two lesbians on the show at any one time. (Brooke Smith, Jessica Capshaw, and at least one other Blond actresses. Sara Ramirez is not blond.)

Naveen Andrews got shitcanned last month.

Instinct is cancelled.

 

[Christopher]

The character is proably going to represent toxic masculinty and they are afraid of the backlash of doing that to a indian character. You can tell the difference in the villians in how they are described. She will be more cunning using technology against people. He will be more primitive using the simple elements.

I don't see any suggestion of toxic masculinity, just that he's "arrogant and willful," which could mean any number of things. Cat Grant is arrogant and willful. So are most versions of Harrison Wells. And The Flash has cast Sendhil Ramamurthy as its villain Bloodwork, described as "a brilliant physician with a genius intellect... [whose] desire to defy the laws of nature takes him down a dark path." Hardly a saint.

And an element-controlling character doesn't have to be "primitive" -- look at Avatar: The Last Airbender. Legends of Tomorrow featured the elemental Zambesi Totems a couple of seasons ago and didn't have a problem associating them with nonwhite characters like Amaya, Kuasa, and Zari.

Portraying characters of color as villains is only a problem if they're the only characters of color in the cast. In the modern climate where lots of TV shows have diverse casts of protagonists, there's no longer any good reason to shy away from nonwhite villains, which is why we've had Arrowverse villains played by actors like Ramamurthy, Manu Bennett, Kirk Acevedo, Kelly Hu, David Ayala, etc.

 

[Guy Gardener]

Supergirl is predictable.

There will be a sexist villain, and Supergirl will beat him up, and all the little girls watching the show, will feel prideful about themselves and see promise in their future to be any thing they want... Not that there's anything wrong with that... At a slower frequency.

 

[Jayson1]

Supergirl is predictable.

There will be a sexist villain, and Supergirl will beat him up, and all the little girls watching the show, will feel prideful about themselves and see promise in their future to be any thing they want... Not that there's anything wrong with that... At a slower frequency.

This is the basic theme of the show. Shockingly a show called "Supergirl" would be about female empowerment and it has to keep that theme simple because apparently nuance is a hard sale on the CW since apparently Crazy Ex-Girlfriend basically had no viewers despite the fact it was one of top 50 shows ever. Jason

 

[Christopher]

This is the basic theme of the show.

Since when? Most of the show's main villains have been female -- Astra, Indigo, Lillian, Rhea, Reign, Mercy, Eve. And of the primary male villains/antagonists like Maxwell Lord, Non, Hank Henshaw, Morgan Edge, Ben Lockwood, Manchester Black, and Lex Luthor, I don't think any of them besides Edge have been portrayed as sexist; they've mostly been motivated by power or revenge or anti-alien racism.

Female empowerment doesn't mean the stories have to be about fighting sexism. It means the stories move beyond sexism and women can be both the heroes and the villains. And female empowerment is male empowerment too, because men limit themselves through misogyny (e.g. by condemning other men who display "feminine" traits like empathy). So there's plenty of room in a show about female empowerment for male characters who are empowered by not being sexist, e.g. James, Winn, J'onn, Mon-El, or Brainy.

 

[Jayson1]

Since when? Most of the show's main villains have been female -- Astra, Indigo, Lillian, Rhea, Reign, Mercy, Eve. And of the primary male villains/antagonists like Maxwell Lord, Non, Hank Henshaw, Morgan Edge, Ben Lockwood, Manchester Black, and Lex Luthor, I don't think any of them besides Edge have been portrayed as sexist; they've mostly been motivated by power or revenge or anti-alien racism.

Female empowerment doesn't mean the stories have to be about fighting sexism. It means the stories move beyond sexism and women can be both the heroes and the villains. And female empowerment is male empowerment too, because men limit themselves through misogyny (e.g. by condemning other men who display "feminine" traits like empathy). So there's plenty of room in a show about female empowerment for male characters who are empowered by not being sexist, e.g. James, Winn, J'onn, Mon-El, or Brainy.

I don't think Manchester Black was a villian. More of a antagonist since we suppose to agree with his motivation just not his methods. Also the show has had plenty of strong female villians but that is because your hero is a woman. As for the guys I understand what they going for but to me it has always been the lack of diverse personalties that have hurt the show. Basically it is like TNG were all your regulars share the same goals and world view except Lena who only slighty shares it because of being a Luthor making her the shows Worf were you replace Luthor family with Klngion heritage. Jason

 

[Christopher]

I don't think Manchester Black was a villian. More of a antagonist

Ditto for Max Lord, which is why I specifically said "villains/antagonists," something you must've overlooked.

Also the show has had plenty of strong female villians but that is because your hero is a woman.

Yes, that's the point -- that it's false to claim that the show favors misogynistic male villains because its hero is a woman.

 

[Jayson1]

Ditto for Max Lord, which is why I specifically said "villains/antagonists," something you must've overlooked.




Yes, that's the point -- that it's false to claim that the show favors misogynistic male villains because its hero is a woman.

I don't think I said it favers sexist male characters. Guy Gardner said the new bad guy proably would be sexist. I agreed because even though they don't do it every time they have done the toxic male angle enough it 's become a cliche and one that plays into the female empowerment theme. Especially since they are two afraid of dirtying the hands of the main cast so it always ends up being the villians or a outsider who has toxic feelings. I would be pleasantly surprised if he turned out to be a grumpy mother nature type and she ended up being a Mark Zuckerberg but I doubt they would do that. Jason

 

[Christopher]

Guy Gardner said the new bad guy proably would be sexist. I agreed because even though they don't do it every time they have done the toxic male angle enough it 's become a cliche and one that plays into the female empowerment theme.

And as I said, I find that assertion counterfactual. When have they done that with a major villain, aside from Morgan Edge?

 

[Jayson1]

And as I said, I find that assertion counterfactual. When have they done that with a major villain, aside from Morgan Edge?

I think Lex,Lockwood and Max Lord are also suppose to be sexist. That or racist because social justice is also imporant to show your villians are going to reflect that. Unlike other shows they only want to touch the surface because they still want to show reflect a good vs evil narrative istead of a shade of grey one. Which does fit in with Superman stuff. The shades of grey stuff has been more of a Arrow and Black Lighting thing. Even Flash but the shw can't figure out if wants to be Arrow or Legends so tries to be both. It has no real identy anymore. Jason

 

[Guy Gardener]

The character is proably going to represent toxic masculinty and they are afraid of the backlash of doing that to a indian character. You can tell the difference in the villians in how they are described. She will be more cunning using technology against people. He will be more primitive using the simple elements. Jason

I was just trying to explain this above to Christopher, which Christopher was already misunderstanding and fighting.

"Alien" is an interchangeable substitute for all the isims and phobias.

 

[JD]

Mitch Pileggi And Cara Buono Join Season 5 Cast

Cool, I've been a big fan of Mitch Pileggi going back to The X-Files and the Stargates.

75 years of the existence of the character show that is simply untrue.

But what exactly about the character says that he has to be white? I don't know of any reason Superman can't be friends with a black guy, and as far as I know there is absolutely no reason a photojournalist can't be black. Those are pretty much the only things that are really needed for Jimmy Olson, so I see no reason he can't be black.

 

[Christopher]

I think Lex,Lockwood and Max Lord are also suppose to be sexist.

Not as their defining trait. Lord had a certain masculine arrogance and condescension, but just as part of his general egotism, and he was a redeemable figure in the end. Lockwood was a loving family man; certainly there was a degree of toxic masculinity in his character, but not the kind that's about hating women -- rather, it was the aspect of toxic masculinity that's toxic to men themselves, the need to be tough and dominating and to use aggression and hate to cover one's fear and insecurity.

As for Lex, he treats women no worse than he treats everyone else. He considers himself superior to everyone, men and women alike.

That or racist because social justice is also imporant to show your villians are going to reflect that.

Yes, that's been my point this whole time. Anyone who pays any attention to Supergirl can see that the most consistent theme behind its villains is racial prejudice -- either aliens seeing themselves as superior to humans or humans prejudiced against aliens. To claim that it's routinely featured sexist male villains is so staggeringly at odds with reality that I can't believe anyone who's actually watched the show could believe it. It sounds like the assumption that a misogynist who's never watched the show would make about it based on stereotypes and preconceptions.

 

[JD]

I really excited to hear about Durance back as Smallville's Lois. Smallville was pretty much my introduction to the wider DC Universe, so I'm thrilled to see them bringing it into the Arrowmultiverse.

 

[Jayson1]

I really excited to hear about Durance back as Smallville's Lois. Smallville was pretty much my introduction to the wider DC Universe, so I'm thrilled to see them bringing it into the Arrowmultiverse.

I loved Smallville despite all of cheese and product placment like closeups of phones and the gum episode. I also got into it before I knew much comic stuff. The I deal of Spiderman fighting Lex Luthor would have made sense. Jason

 

[The Realist]

Smallville was awesome. A total blast. Even its faults are endearing to me.

 

[Noname Given]

The dress was so that she could poop while flying.

Kara is going to be very frustrated always moving forward, now.

Ah...that's a load of sh*t!

 

[theenglish]

Last place we bought Poutine.

"vegan" poutine.

Very unappealing.

Most places that sell poutine these days serve gravy that is not made from meat so making it vegan is not much of a stretch.

That said, authentic poutine only comes from diners in Quebec at three o'clock in the morning in the winter.