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Spoilers Supergirl - Season 2

Exactly - if it was really just a stupid throwaway line once then no one would care. Its the context of every set up, every one liner, every subtle political jab, adding up to a very apparent point being made. You can't just reduce it to the regular comic book tropes and nerd fights because the WRITERS have made it VERY clear that it is way more then just a couple stupid words to them. It is their worldview, and they have made no secrets about pushing it.

Can you imagine the reverse? "Oh, its just a silly line in a silly show...don't get your panties in a bunch" being used to defend something really belittling or offensive to women? How dare we reduce their point of view to something so trivial.....
The reverse happens every single day all over the world to real women. Sorry that Supergirl had to ruin your life.
 
Why the passive aggressive exaggerations?

Who said Supergirl ruined my life?

You can't fight for equality and morals and truth and justice while having blatant double standards. What your opinion of the rest of the worlds actions is, does not in any way justify the double standard. In reality, when those things happen, at least in public forums, people are attacked and belittled and put down for being sexist / racist / homophobic / whatever the issue may be.

Equal is equal. It doesn't care about balancing with the past or holding different people to different standards. Equal = Equal. Its really the most simple concept in the world. It doesn't help to support one side if at the same time you are kicking the legs from under the other side. Equal is equal. Equal doesn't judge.

Like I said earlier, Two Wrongs Don't Make A Right, but that was apparently "having nothing" to contribute to the point at hand.
 
I know this link isn't about Supergirl vs Superman... but I found it interesting and enlightening when thinking about the last 20 pages of our Supergirl forum .

https://www.comicbookmovie.com/comics/dc_comics/superman-vs-wonder-woman-the-eternal-debate-a72495

This was the most frightening thing about this article... :eek:

Wonder Woman Vs Superman BATTLE is one of the most debated issues in comic book history and apparently one of the hardest to resolve. After about a year of debating this topic I have come to the conclusion....

Now guys... please, I beg of you... lets NOT spend the next year fighting about this one subject!

Not when there are important things to discuss like did Cat REALLY sleep with Clark, or only in her dreams?

;)
 
To preserve his secret identity, Clark would have slept with Cat (at night time) WITH THE LIGHTS OFF! That is a completely unfair advantage! Even the most competent human lover fumbles around a little bit in the pitch void of an unfamiliar bedroom as a feminine voice in the distance is cooing "I'm naked and shorn, hurry up and violate me." So while a human is likely to trip over an armoire, and try to screw her armpit, this cheating #### has 20/20 vision in the darkest night.

Eat #### and die Clark.

Wonder Woman is covered in magic, and Superman is supervulnerable to magic. She might as well be a Kryptonite Woman (The Kryptonite Man is an actual villain). No contest even if Superman is strong enough to push planets into new orbits (which is something he just used to do before 1985, as if physics was an asshole).

Had a last thought while kipping down to reason out why smaller = stronger.

Superman draws more energy from his solar battery, just doing ordinary things, like breathing and walking at normal speed than Supergirl does, so when it comes to using their reserve for a big fight, she has more in the tank, even if his tank is bigger.

Kind of like a reverse Hulk.

He's using up more energy faster than she is, when it doesn't matter.

Saw a history channel documentary about comics, where G Willow Willson (briefly) talks about women in comics, and why Ms Marvel is important to her, but the documentary was mostly about how comics were controlled by politics, wars and the national attitude.

http://www.history.com/shows/superheroes-decoded
 
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That these people never watched Buffy? and grew up to accept Woman can kick ass :nyah:

Look lets not beat around the bush, we all know why some people on this board have an issue with it. They are sexist, plain & simple. You can believe your not but the rest of us know you are.



Superman is what we like to call "a grown up" :) some people on this board could clearly learn from his example.



I think you mean Batman ;) who also kicked his ass.

Warning for trolling, comments to PM
 
Exactly - if it was really just a stupid throwaway line once then no one would care. Its the context of every set up, every one liner, every subtle political jab, adding up to a very apparent point being made. You can't just reduce it to the regular comic book tropes and nerd fights because the WRITERS have made it VERY clear that it is way more then just a couple stupid words to them. It is their worldview, and they have made no secrets about pushing it.

Can you imagine the reverse? "Oh, its just a silly line in a silly show...don't get your panties in a bunch" being used to defend something really belittling or offensive to women? How dare we reduce their point of view to something so trivial.....

I'm sorry, but what in Supergirl is belittling or offensive to anyone?
 
Max Lord has hours of tape of Kara getting dressed and undressed, yet still he fell for Alex, or at least it seemed like he was into Alex "emotionally" near the end of season one, rather than merely taunting her with how sexy he was.

They found the camera.

AND ALEX IS STILL INTO HIM!!!!

(Or at least they emotionally held each others hands suggestively during a life and death situation.)

Flag on the field!

People who make porno of your sister do not get an engagement ring, they get an ass kicking and then life imprisonment in a black site.

Such Bizarre priorities. :(
 
Wonder Woman is covered in magic, and Superman is supervulnerable to magic. She might as well be a Kryptonite Woman (The Kryptonite Man is an actual villain). No contest even if Superman is strong enough to push planets into new orbits (which is something he just used to do before 1985, as if physics was an asshole).

In re: Superman (or any Kryptonian) and Magic

No, Superman is not supervulnerable to magic. That said, he is vulnerable to magic, just as any non-magic hero would be. Superman can be defeated by magic, not because he's Kryptonian and has a special vulnerability to it, but because he is not magic-sensitive, and has no natural defense, any more than Batman, or any other (non-magic) human.
 
In Kingdom Come Clark cut his thumb, running it along the edge of her sword.

I'm thinking it's because the sword doesn't understand his superpowers, ignores them, and just cuts him anyways, like anyone else should've been cut.
 
I know this link isn't about Supergirl vs Superman... but I found it interesting and enlightening when thinking about the last 20 pages of our Supergirl forum .

https://www.comicbookmovie.com/comics/dc_comics/superman-vs-wonder-woman-the-eternal-debate-a72495

This was the most frightening thing about this article... :eek:

Wonder Woman Vs Superman BATTLE is one of the most debated issues in comic book history and apparently one of the hardest to resolve. After about a year of debating this topic I have come to the conclusion....

Now guys... please, I beg of you... lets NOT spend the next year fighting about this one subject!

Not when there are important things to discuss like did Cat REALLY sleep with Clark, or only in her dreams?

;)
This is frightening.
Do you want a definitive answer?
Search on Ebay a copy of this:
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And play! ;)
 
I'm sorry, but what in Supergirl is belittling or offensive to anyone?
I think a woman turned around the usual sexist comments made about actual women every single day by actual men in reality on fictional men. That's apparently unable acceptable to some people because men must never be criticized, questioned or made to look less important than women for any reason. It must be sexism to treat men like how women are treated because equality is apparently women shutting up and letting things continue as usual.
 
I did a little research on Superman v. Wonder Woman. No confrontation between the two that I found had a definitive winner. The most brutal recent one was when Superman was mind controlled, which seems to always happen, and he thought Wonder Woman was Doomsday, who had just killed Lois.

Superman is stronger and faster, but Wonder Woman is more trained and a more efficient fighter. She would negate Superman's raw speed with her instincts. But even the current Superman is significantly stronger. In one recent comic, he bench pressed the equivalent of the Earth's weight for 5 days.

Superman is no slouch in the trained/fighting department though, which is why he would fare better against Wonder Woman than Supergirl, who has nowhere near Superman's experience (also depicted when Supergirl and Wonder Woman fought).

Wonder Woman got her shots in but took a hell of a beating too, including Superman crushing one of her bracelets and breaking her wrist.

Wonder Woman concluded that the best thing to do was not win the fight, but stop the guy who was controlling Superman, so she focused on just slowing Superman down.

What was amazing is Wonder Woman was forced to break that person's neck to release Superman, killing him. Superman of course was shocked by all of that, but that's another topic.

Other battles I found showed Wonder Woman and Superman holding their own against each other, but neither conclusively winning. The battles always seem to get stopped before there is a real winner unless there is an alternate reality, and in those cases, I found examples of each winning.

The thing is, battles involve strategy. Different opponents would bring out different techniques. In boxing for example, if a fighter is known to be brutally strong, who ends fights early, the goal is to tire that fighter out and go for the kill later. See Clubber Lang. If a fighter is not as strong as you, maybe going toe to toe is a better strategy.

So Superman thinking he is fighting Doomsday (or on Supergirl, Zod), might lead to a different strategy when fighting Wonder Woman.

Case in point:

In an alternate reality, where Superman and Batman grew up together, but of course evil, Wonder Woman killed Batman. Superman, in revenge, kills Wonder Woman.

But then there was a story called Injustice: Gods Among Us, where I guess they were all evil, and Wonder Woman beat that version of Superman. Superman had the upper hand in a fight to the death, but instead of just killing her, he urged her to surrender. That hesitation turned the tide in Wonder Woman's favor. But it's also in character, even in an alternate reality. Superman would be more likely to hesitate than Wonder Woman, who is more trained and unafraid to kill when needed.

Basically, it's not conclusive. The only one that could stop Wonder Woman would be Superman, and vice versa.

Both of them however, would be able to beat Supergirl, which all comes back to the episode, where the writers felt the need to tear down Superman to pump up the title character--something that was just unnecessary.
 
If Supergirl hadn't gotten stuck in the Phantom Zone, and arrived on Earth 5 minutes after Kal-EL instead of 24 years later, it would have saved time and paper work to call Kal-El her son, and raise him as her son, especially if they both said goodbye to the Kents almost immediately, because why the hell wouldn't she want to build her own Fortress with Kryptonian tech, rather than sleep in a (comparative) shed?

You've ever looked at them like they were mother and son?

Oh my, how narrow your world is. :nyah:
 
You're confused. You're whining about Superman getting beat up by a woman, entirely on the basis that she's a woman. That's sexism, anyone with a room temperature IQ can see that.

No, you're misreading--a conscious decision. The entire dialogue of Cat, to Superman constantly tearing himself down are related messages painting a larger, misandrist picture no matter how much you attempt to deny it.

We're pointing out it's sexism and how utterly stupid it is. Now you're trying to claim that any line or action that doesn't praise or treat a man like a living god is misandry.

No one is asking for the series to praise males, so do not continue posting lies. I have clearly and repeatedly used the agenda-free presentation of Superman, Batman and Wonder Woman in Dawn of Justice--where no character was belittled to inflate another--to illustrate how characters are built based on their established abilities, and personalities, not external agenda. That you ignore that, then prevaricate in the extreme sells the idea that you prefer a series where males are routinely torn down/subjected to double standards instead of balanced treatment--the natural outgrowth of adhering to the characters, instead of showrunner propaganda.

You're so lucky that the sexism targeted at men is some mean lady on Supergirl insulting some random guy with the reversed version of actual sexism that has been used against women for centuries and continues to this day.

You have no idea what anyone here has to deal with. You assume from a platform so (socio)politicized that you are the only person (or group representative) ever to face discrimination, past or present. Textbook fringe left arrogance, and yes, you're still defending mistreatment of an entire agenda under the banner of "I was hurt, so back at you." Immoral and childish.
 
Not working, Awesome Possum. You have spent pages arguing or posting lies (everyone is a sexist) in favor of misandrist agendas. Yes, you are rather sensitive (and as you say, have your panties in a bunch), since you cannot handle others analyzing a TV series and the people behind it.
 
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