Spoilers Supergirl - Season 2

[Mudd]

Yeah, they gave Clark "X-Ray Vision" a while before they gave him "Heat Vision," and let him use the former to burn stuff sometimes.

 

[CorporalCaptain]

The Injustice version for example?

This reminds me how Black Canary took down Superboy in a sparring session in an early episode of Young Justice.

 

[Kirk Prime]

"Should" is a useless word when it runs up against contradictory information. Superman gets beat in fair fights repeatedly throughout his history. This was just the latest instance.

We're only having this argument because a girl beat him.

No we aren't. What makes you say that? The only reason gender has been brought up is because of those that have a chip on their shoulder about it, and want to cry sexism whenever a woman is questioned. But the chicken little response doesn't have any basis of reality. If you'd like, scroll back to my first post on the subject. At no point did I mention gender as a reason I didn't like what happened.

And again, I would point to the fact that I feel exactly the same way about Batman beating Superman in BvS. It's weak writing to try to pump up one hero at the expense of Superman.

 

[theenglish]

I can't believe this argument is still going on.

There is no evidence to suggest anywhere that Superman was depowered. Period.

Supergirl in this universe is just slightly stronger than him. End of story.

Also, there is nothing wrong with Clark recognizing this and owning it. What's he going to do, ask for a rematch?

 

[Mudd]

I can't believe this argument is still going on.

There is no evidence to suggest anywhere that Superman was depowered. Period.

Supergirl in this universe is just slightly stronger than him. End of story.

Also, there is nothing wrong with Clark recognizing this and owning it. What's he going to do, ask for a rematch?

Exactly so.

Superman is cool. Superman is strong. Supergirl is stronger than Superman.

Not. A. Problem.

Therefore no reason for concern or protest.

http://rikdad.blogspot.com/2009/04/how-strong-is-superman.html

 

[Robert Maxwell]

Actually that's not true. I've said that no one should beat Superman in a fair fight. The commentary about women beating men in a fair fight came as a result of the baseless claims of sexism and the decision to ignore biology in favor of ideology. An in shape, well trained woman, would stand no chance against an in shape, well trained man. That's not sexism. That's biology--something that can only be overcome in fiction, but not in the real world.

So you're an expert on Kryptonian biology, are you?

In fiction however, Superman is the ultimate symbol of heroism, goodness, strength, power, and wisdom. In this episode, he was treated as inferior to Kara and written to go around telling everyone so. They felt the need to pump up Kara by weakening Superman, which was out of character for Superman. Again, not sexist, as it would be the same even if Kara were a man.

Anyone who watched the episode care to tell me if this is even close to true?

No. It means imposing their politics. The man hating of the last two episodes is not a message I find uncomfortable--it's a message I don't agree with and has no place on a superhero show. Shilling for the democrat party like they did in the episode before this one is not an uncomfortable message, it's imposing their beliefs on the viewer on a superhero show.

If anyone is acting uncomfortable, it's the people crying sexism and hurling personal insults because THEIR opinions are being challenged.

Everything is political, friend. That's the point.

It isn't, but expressing my opinion on that subject in a forum that is designed for doing just that isn't exactly beyond the scope.

Nobody's telling you you can't express your opinion, but so far I don't see any evidence your opinion is based on anything but preconceived biases.

Again, putting words into other people. It has nothing to do with Kara being a girl. It has to do with him being the ultimate force for good, for 80 years, and losing to an opponent that is less experienced, and given that they are the same species, physically weaker. The writers made some choices that absolutely weakens the character, not because he lost to a girl, but because he lost at all, and then spent the rest of the episode running around telling everyone she was his better. That's not Superman.

Shit, dude, can't Superman, of all people, just have an off day once in a while? It happens to everyone.

 

[CorporalCaptain]

This whole "debate" is like those canon vs fanon arguments that fans of this show called Star Trek get into.

 

[DigificWriter]

Anyone who watched the episode care to tell me if this is even close to true?

No, it is not.

Kirk Prime continues to behave as if his viewpoint is the only thing that matters, and also continues to insist that sexism has nothing to do with his argument even though his own posts prove otherwise.

BTW, I think this needs to be mentioned: In spite of being "name-checked" in the Season 3 synopsis, Calista Flockhart will not definitively be appearing on a more consistent basis during the season, as the character's availability will once again be determined by Calista's availability.

 

[Mudd]

This whole "debate" is like those canon vs fanon arguments that fans of this show called Star Trek get into.

This is actually exactly the kind of argument that kids in elementary school get into over comic book characters.

It's nostalgic and kind of fun, as long as you accept that it will not end with the kids agreeing. Ever.

BTW, I think this needs to be mentioned: In spite of being "name-checked" in the Season 3 synopsis, Calista Flockhart will not definitively be appearing on a more consistent basis during the season, as her availability will once again be determined by Calista's availability.

They should budget to shoot in Los Angeles for four days every season and just build a replica of Cat's office there.

 

[CorporalCaptain]

This is actually exactly the kind of argument that kids in elementary school get into over comic book characters.

It's nostalgic and kind of fun, as long as you accept that it will not end with the kids agreeing. Ever.

A variant of the my dad can whup your dad?

Yeah, I know what you mean. I think I might have gotten into one of those back in third grade, the comic book character argument I mean. I think it might have been Superman vs Thor.

 

[dahj]

I think it might have been Superman vs Thor.

But should Thorgirl be able to beat Thor?

 

[Awesome Possum]

Squirrel Girl could beat up Superman, she's unbeatable and has defeated Thanos, who could defeat Superman and even cosmic-powered characters.

 

[Jedi_Master]

This is one of the lesser evil things that he did in the Injustice comics.

That, I have to say, it's an excellent reading.

DC Comics' Injustice Is the Best Evil Superman Story of All Time

I agree. A fantastic series, most notably for what they allow Evil Superman to do.

 

[Kirk Prime]

Nobody's telling you you can't express your opinion, but so far I don't see any evidence your opinion is based on anything but preconceived biases.

Yes, because Superman has been around 80 years, and is not a new character.

If they are going to use him, they should use him, not dumb him down to make Kara look good.

 

[Romulan_spy]

Didn't Cisco give Supergirl an interdimensional portal device thing during the crossover that allows her to travel between earth's? She could have used it to send Mon-El to a different earth instead of sending him off in his ship.

 

[Robert Maxwell]

Yes, because Superman has been around 80 years, and is not a new character.

If they are going to use him, they should use him, not dumb him down to make Kara look good.

I don't see others here saying he was dumbed down. Are you sure that's not just your imagination?

 

[BillJ]

I don't see others here saying he was dumbed down. Are you sure that's not just your imagination?

It is his preconceived notions on a man and woman's proper places in the world.

 

[MadeIndescribable]

Yes, because Superman has been around 80 years, and is not a new character.

As much as he's not a new character, this Superman is just the latest of many many different incarnations, all of which have had different abilities, qualities, etc.

 

[Jedi_Master]

I was curious - apparently Superman has lost a lot of fights...even to a (shock! horror!) woman!

http://www.cbr.com/not-so-super-15-people-who-have-defeated-superman/

 

[BillJ]

I was curious - apparently Superman has lost a lot of fights...even to a (shock! horror!) woman!

LIES!!!