Spoilers Supergirl - Season 2

[Grendelsbayne]

Imagine if Marvel movies were all on separate Earths and then people had to jump through portals every time they wanted to team up.

Sure it can work, technically, but would so many people be invested just as much in that entire universe if it was more loose in its connections?

That's not even remotely a fair comparison. The marvel universe is designed to be crossover central. These shows only crossover every now and then, when it suits them. More importantly, we're only talking about 2 universes here, not a different one for every show, and both universes have tons of major characters to play around with, guaranteeing that they don't need to cross over the way the marvel movies do.

 

[dahj]

^^
Since already several people have signed multi-series contracts, it seems Arrowverse is aiming for more interconnectedness.

 

[JD]

But would it really be that big of a deal if they can just cross worlds as easily as they go from room to room in a house or building to building in the city? They were remarkably casual about sending Jay, Wells and Jessie home in the Flash finale, so if it's that easy there's no reason to merge the universes.
As for the Marvel movies, as long as the characters are able to get together for the Avengers I don't think it would be an issue. I think it's also worth remembering there that it was always the intention for the MCU to be a shared universe with superpowers, but the Arrowverse pretty much started out as just the grounded Arrow, before they eventually decided to spin-off the superpower based The Flash.

 

[dahj]

But would it really be that big of a deal if they can just cross worlds as easily as they go from room to room in a house or building to building in the city?

Say an alien shows up in Star City.

If they're the same universe you can have DEO send Martian Manhunter and Alex Danvers and they can team up with Green Arrow to catch the fellow and you have a nice one-off team up episode.

If they're separate universes you can't have that so easily. Because why would a DEO of one Earth come to another to sort its aliens out? How would they even know about it? Even if they did how would they cross over, you'd need Flash to open a portal? Instead of just them showing up because it's their job, you'd need some convoluted excuse to set up their interaction, so the episode would just feel like a forced mash up from the start.

 

[Mr. Adventure]

Worked fine with Earth-2 on The Flash this season. Heck, lots of fiction is about traveling through portals of one sort or another to get to the story, or things coming through portals from elsewhere to generate the story -- Stargate, Sliders, Syfy's Flash Gordon, The Chronicles of Narnia, you name it. There's even a whole genre called portal fantasy, though it refers less to the actual portals and more to the format of being swept away to another reality/existence by any means.

I don't see that single series that focus on portals between worlds are an apt comparison.

How is that any worse than Legends of Tomorrow, where the team is traipsing about through the past and future and outer space and rarely interacts with the characters in Star and Central City? How is it okay for that show to be separate in its way but not for Supergirl?

That's a better comparison at least. Maybe they don't want half of their series off doing their own thing and rarely touching base with the others.

Besides, you're only looking at the separation between universes as a potential problem, and not trying to see it as a potential opportunity

Yep, playing devil's advocate, figure you have the other side covered.

Really, I doubt most of those people would notice the difference, or make too big a deal out of it. As long as they see that the characters interact and the shows affect each other, casual viewers won't care about the difference between characters being in separate universes or just separate cities. Certainly marketers wouldn't give a damn; to them, the internal "reality" of the thing they're promoting is irrelevant, because they're approaching it as a product to be sold.

Sure seems there's a lot of emphasis on shared cinematic/TV universes these days...

And if we're looking to DC precedent, let's remember that DC inaugurated the parallel-worlds idea in "Flash of Two Worlds" in 1961, embracing it and using it regularly for the next 25 years. And when they tried to get rid of it in 1986, it didn't stick, and they eventually brought it back.

It's a fun concept to play with when you have dozens of titles over dozens of years to establish the status quo.


I'm honestly not arguing that merging Supergirl in is absolutely the best option (or the worst) but trying to see why they might want to do that.

 

[Morpheus 02]

I don't get the panicking, it's not like it's going to effectively change anything either way how the shows exist by themselves. Arrow and Flash and LoT are pretty distinct shows even though they take place in the same universe, why would Supergirl lose some of her uniqueness by joining them?

Exactly. I mean any "inconsistency" can't be any worse than TOS, and those on TrekBBS have certainly been able to rationalize those.

And it wouldn't even do that. DC Comics did regular inter-universe crossovers in the comics for decades. As a couple of us have mentioned, last season's The Flash had pretty much weekly interaction between Earth-1 and Earth-2 characters. There are multiple ways to make universe-crossing as casual and routine as the plot needs it to be.

The thing is - that was part of theplot for one season's arc. It's about the fastest man alive, not about parallel words.

But a single narrative universe can include more than one physical universe. Fringe was centrally about the conflict between two parallel universes. The Mirror Universe is part of the Star Trek continuity. Dimension X is part of the Ninja Turtles continuity. There's a fundamental difference between a parallel world within a fictional continuity, like Earth-2 vis-a-vis The Flash or the Mirror Universe vis-a-vis Star Trek, and a separate fictional reality, like Gotham vis-a-vis The Flash or Star Wars vis-a-vis Star Trek. Supergirl has already been established as part of the narrative reality of the Arrowverse, regardless of being in a separate physical universe in-story.

Fringe was not centrally about parallel universe, except for abou 1 1/2 seasons (and some other episodes here and there)... first season was kinda like X-Files, last season was like Temporal Cold War... ultimately "Fringe Science", which incldes a lot of sci-fi tv/movie favorites

Mirror universe was only the occasional episode, and certainly not a whole series.

Historically (Silver age on), Superman and red-cowled Flash have been in the same universe... as solidly a part of the mythos as the cape or red trunks.

Worked fine with Earth-2 on The Flash this season. Heck, lots of fiction is about traveling through portals of one sort or another to get to the story, or things coming through portals from elsewhere to generate the story -- Stargate, Sliders, Syfy's Flash Gordon, The Chronicles of Narnia, you name it. There's even a whole genre called portal fantasy, though it refers less to the actual portals and more to the format of being swept away to another reality/existence by any means.

Not quite a fair comparison.
Stargate -- that is the title of the show, and is the premise of the show... so yea, they should be hopping everywhere..but nearly all of the worlds were in the same universe.
Sliders - again, the premise is parallel dimenesions
Syfy's Flash Gordon -- it was that portal thing (and focus on Earth as well as the early ridiculous versions of things like the squaking black caped "Hawkmen" ) that turned people off... I mean, fine for the reason Flash & company went to Mongo...but that hopping back and forth in the beginning made it lame
Chronicles of Narnia - it' the needed prompt to bring the characters in and out of books...but only used at the beginning and the end of the story (which would be the equivalent to a season, IMO)

How is that any worse than Legends of Tomorrow, where the team is traipsing about through the past and future and outer space and rarely interacts with the characters in Star and Central City? How is it okay for that show to be separate in its way but not for Supergirl?

Because, being a time travel show, it makes it lame that they go to the same time zone, and same place all the time. They made plenty of stops there this season, however.

Besides, you're only looking at the separation between universes as a potential problem, and not trying to see it as a potential opportunity. Any problem or obstacle is a source of storytelling possibilities, because stories are about people facing problems and obstacles. There are plenty of ways that the separation between the universes could be used to make the stories more interesting, whether from a plot perspective or a character perspective or a worldbuilding perspective. There's a lot of potential in the cultural clash between a world that's used to having superpowered aliens around and a world that's still wrapping its head around the idea of metahumans. There's potential in stories where characters from one world are stuck in the other for some reason, though we've already seen that. Contrast creates interest.




Really, I doubt most of those people would notice the difference, or make too big a deal out of it. As long as they see that the characters interact and the shows affect each other, casual viewers won't care about the difference between characters being in separate universes or just separate cities. Certainly marketers wouldn't give a damn; to them, the internal "reality" of the thing they're promoting is irrelevant, because they're approaching it as a product to be sold.




Actually, to start with, they pretty much weren't. The early DC superhero comics, back when there were just a few of them, all but completely ignored each other. Even when they started occasionally teaming up heroes in things like World's Finest and the Justice Society stories, they'd only be treated as sharing a universe for the duration of the team-up, and their individual books would still just ignore each other and do their own things. DC's universe took a long time to consolidate, and it was always a hybrid of realities that started out separate.

And if we're looking to DC precedent, let's remember that DC inaugurated the parallel-worlds idea in "Flash of Two Worlds" in 1961, embracing it and using it regularly for the next 25 years. And when they tried to get rid of it in 1986, it didn't stick, and they eventually brought it back. That's why the Berlantiverse has been able to embrace the multiverse concept this past year -- because it's an integral part of DC's conceptual framework. And embracing the multiverse worked well last year, so why would they want to abandon it now?

explain to me again why they would erase earth 2 and 3 again?

Just a merger of 2 worlds...and not so jarring ... I mean, they've already explained that Superman is focused on Metropolis, so National City has basically lived life as if they've never had a superhero. Central City and STarling City seem to be on the West Coast, so in practical day-to-day terms, it feels like they've never had a hero (or a villain)

Imagine if Marvel movies were all on separate Earths and then people had to jump through portals every time they wanted to team up.

Sure it can work, technically, but would so many people be invested just as much in that entire universe if it was more loose in its connections?

. I agree with your point. This will be especially a problem if one of the series ends (such as Arrow, or if Supergirl somehow fails), and they want to keep .some characters on

Also, I imagine they will have a Justice League formed at some point.... kinda jarring, to say the least, without at least one of the big 3 being a core member (and I thin.k in the TV case, Supergirl is an appropriate equivalent for Superman)

That's not even remotely a fair comparison. The marvel universe is designed to be crossover central. These shows only crossover every now and then, when it suits them. More importantly, we're only talking about 2 universes here, not a different one for every show, and both universes have tons of major characters to play around with, guaranteeing that they don't need to cross over the way the marvel movies do.

Actually, at least 4 universes.. Earth-1, Earth-SG and Earths 2 & 3. I doubt 2 & 3 would be merged.

Say an alien shows up in Star City.

If they're the same universe you can have DEO send Martian Manhunter and Alex Danvers and they can team up with Green Arrow to catch the fellow and you have a nice one-off team up episode.

If they're separate universes you can't have that so easily. Because why would a DEO of one Earth come to another to sort its aliens out? How would they even know about it? Even if they did how would they cross over, you'd need Flash to open a portal? Instead of just them showing up because it's their job, you'd need some convoluted excuse to set up their interaction, so the episode would just feel like a forced mash up from the start.

Makes sense to me. They can also make excuses why Hank Henshaw doesn't show up (either another event, or they send a new agent assigned to he east coast)

 

[Christopher]

I don't see that single series that focus on portals between worlds are an apt comparison.

Star Trek is not a single series, it's a half-dozen or so. And it had the Mirror Universe spanning two of its series.

That's a better comparison at least. Maybe they don't want half of their series off doing their own thing and rarely touching base with the others.

But as I keep saying, there is absolutely zero reason why Supergirl being in a separate universe would make it hard for crossovers to happen. Earth-2 characters were interacting with Earth-1 characters on a weekly basis in the last season of The Flash. There are plenty of ways they could make crossovers as routine as hopping through the Stargate or the transporter. Heck, with dimensional rifts and tachyon accelerators and alien technologies and so forth, it's easier to justify the Flash popping across dimensions for lunch with Supergirl than it is to justify Team Arrow commuting back and forth between Star City and Nanda Parbat as casually as they do. At least interdimensional travel is near-instantaneous.

Sure seems there's a lot of emphasis on shared cinematic/TV universes these days...

Yes, and again, what matters to the marketers is that they are shared narrative universes. A single narrative universe can contain multiple physical universes.

I'm honestly not arguing that merging Supergirl in is absolutely the best option (or the worst) but trying to see why they might want to do that.

I've been having this debate online for months, and I have yet to hear anyone offer a credible example of something that could be done with a combined universe that couldn't be done just as easily with two separate universes and a casual use of dimension-crossing technology or superpowers.

Heck, in the comics, the Flash has the ability to cross between universes under his own power, no special tech needed. Since the TV Flash's powers keep growing, it'd be easy to show him learning to do it on his own. And maybe teaching Supergirl how to do it too.

The thing is - that was part of theplot for one season's arc. It's about the fastest man alive, not about parallel words.

Sure, but it used parallel worlds as a story device. That's what I'm saying. Now that they've added parallel worlds to the rich mix of ideas they're playing with in the Arrowverse, why would they want to backtrack and get rid of that idea? The logical thing is to develop it further, as one of the many threads at play in this ever-growing franchise.

Fringe was not centrally about parallel universe, except for abou 1 1/2 seasons (and some other episodes here and there)... first season was kinda like X-Files, last season was like Temporal Cold War... ultimately "Fringe Science", which incldes a lot of sci-fi tv/movie favorites

The events of the first season were ultimately explained to be the actions of a group preparing for an invasion from a parallel universe, and the season ended with Olivia crossing into that other universe. The second season (where the show really started to kick into gear) was driven by the actions of infiltrators from that parallel universe, and eventually revealed how everything that was happening was the result of Walter Bishop's actions in crossing over to that universe decades earlier. The third season alternated between universes freely now that the secret was out and the storyline escalated toward a climax. The fourth season reset the timeline, but kept both universes in play on a continuing basis, with the main villain's plan playing out across both universes and ultimately geared toward collapsing the two universes into one. So, yes, in fact, everything in the first four seasons of Fringe was fundamentally about the parallel universes, even though that fact was only gradually revealed. For that matter, even the events of the "rebooted" season 5 were explained as the long-term effects of Walter's action that created the disruption between universes. Superficially, the show did reorient itself a lot from season to season, but it's remarkable how cohesive it all was in the end.

Historically (Silver age on), Superman and red-cowled Flash have been in the same universe... as solidly a part of the mythos as the cape or red trunks.

Who cares? Historically, Iris and Wally West and Jimmy Olsen were white. The TV show is not the comics. It's a new work inspired by the comics.

Not quite a fair comparison.
Stargate -- that is the title of the show, and is the premise of the show... so yea, they should be hopping everywhere..but nearly all of the worlds were in the same universe.
Sliders - again, the premise is parallel dimenesions
Syfy's Flash Gordon -- it was that portal thing (and focus on Earth as well as the early ridiculous versions of things like the squaking black caped "Hawkmen" ) that turned people off... I mean, fine for the reason Flash & company went to Mongo...but that hopping back and forth in the beginning made it lame
Chronicles of Narnia - it' the needed prompt to bring the characters in and out of books...but only used at the beginning and the end of the story (which would be the equivalent to a season, IMO)

Oh, come on. Obviously each individual example is different, and obviously by cherrypicking the parts that are different, you can pretend that each one is somehow "ruled out" by not being exact enough and thereby chip away until there are no examples left. But that's intentionally missing the point. The point lies in the similarity, in the fact that there are themes and concepts that are reused across many fictional works. The fact that there are differences too doesn't disprove the similarities, because obviously any number of works in a list are going to have both similarities and differences. What matters is the thing that unifies the list, the common theme that's explored in many variations. Fiction is all about finding new variations on recurring themes.

explain to me again why they would erase earth 2 and 3 again?

Explain to me why, if they're going to keep those in play, they'd have any reason to get rid of Earth-SG at all.

 

[Noname Given]

I wonder if the person who came up with the copy for this poster; or the people who approved it still have jobs in the CBS/CW PR division today?

 

[JD]

Why would somebody lose their job over an idiot fan editing their poster?

Star Trek is not a single series, it's a half-dozen or so. And it had the Mirror Universe spanning two of its series.

The Mirror Universe was in three series, TOS, DS9, and Enterprise. (And if we want to get really technical it was brought into every series in the books).

Say an alien shows up in Star City.

If they're the same universe you can have DEO send Martian Manhunter and Alex Danvers and they can team up with Green Arrow to catch the fellow and you have a nice one-off team up episode.

If they're separate universes you can't have that so easily. Because why would a DEO of one Earth come to another to sort its aliens out? How would they even know about it? Even if they did how would they cross over, you'd need Flash to open a portal? Instead of just them showing up because it's their job, you'd need some convoluted excuse to set their interaction, so the episode would just feel like a forced mash up from the start.

But they don't need to be merged to do that story, all they need to do is have one of the STAR Labs team open a portal, have an alien find that portal, and have the Kara, Alex, and J'Onn follow it through. It's pretty much just as easy as what your talking about. Or now that the idea of crossing universes is introduced in both shows, they could even just have the alien either use it's own natural ability to open portals, or use technology to do it. The concept is introduced already, so they don't need to come up with that complicated of a reason, all they need to do is say that crossed over from Kara's universe.

 

[Reverend]

Moving SG into the same universe as everyone else wouldn't necessarily destroy all the other *infinite* realities, it's just makes it more convenient to do cross-overs between the Arrow, Flash & Supergirl. They can still do 'Crime Syndicate' and 'Justice Lord' style stories if they want to.

I see no down side to this (potential) move.

 

[Christopher]

I wonder if the person who came up with the copy for this poster; or the people who approved it still have jobs in the CBS/CW PR division today?

The actual poster said "Superman is coming to Supergirl." Some joker on the Internet changed the preposition to make it sound dirtier.

 

[JD]

But it's already simple, so if anything merging them universes would just make things more confusing and complicated.

 

[Morpheus 02]

Star Trek is not a single series, it's a half-dozen or so. And it had the Mirror Universe spanning two of its series.

Actually, really just 3 : TOS, DS9, and Enterprise ...but "spanning" is more like what 6 episodes between them all?

A comparison would be like if Enterprise were operating in the Mirror Universe, and not part of the the other series' universe.

I've been having this debate online for months, and I have yet to hear anyone offer a credible example of something that could be done with a combined universe that couldn't be done just as easily with two separate universes and a casual use of dimension-crossing technology or superpowers.

I have, but I haven't seen you address it -- Justice League (or some variation where we all know it's the Justice League, even if they don't name it as such.

Another thing I mentioned is for characters to go after a show has ended (like say Felicity, if/when Arrow ends). Having them cross dimensions, in this age of ID theft awareness, really wouldn't work too well.

Sure, but it used parallel worlds as a story device. That's what I'm saying. Now that they've added parallel worlds to the rich mix of ideas they're playing with in the Arrowverse, why would they want to backtrack and get rid of that idea? The logical thing is to develop it further, as one of the many threads at play in this ever-growing franchise.

Why do you keep insisting tat anyone wants to get rid of the multiverse in general?

I don't see that coming from anyone..would love to see a quote about that from anyone else here on TrekBBS.

We just want all of the the lead characters of the four series which are on the same network , on 4 consecutive days , of the week, but in the same world.

I would be really interested to hear from Berlanti and company, when they are all through with the shows, and free to talk about the behind the scenes, if CBS had insisted on making Supergirl separate from the CW shows... and perhaps ratings and social media hype, playing a factor in the March crossover (which seemed last minute for a TV show, didn't it?) actually coming to fruition

Who cares? Historically, Iris and Wally West and Jimmy Olsen were white. The TV show is not the comics. It's a new work inspired by the comics.

You insist that red trunk are somehow a fundamental part of Superman's identity. How could Superman (or a Super-being like Supergirl) being a fundamental part of a type of Justice League be so less important?

And for the record, I am fine with Iris & Wally & Jimmy's race change...at least for the West's we got Joe West, and Jesse Martin, for me, has been one of the primary reasons I love the show so much.

And also "who cares"? Those who market Justice League T-Shirts, lunch boxes, etc. They have Superman & Batman, and often include the Flash in that line-up. DC would love to build that association, not separate it

Oh, come on. Obviously each individual example is different, and obviously by cherrypicking the parts that are different, you can pretend that each one is somehow "ruled out" by not being exact enough and thereby chip away until there are no examples left. But that's intentionally missing the point. The point lies in the similarity, in the fact that there are themes and concepts that are reused across many fictional works. The fact that there are differences too doesn't disprove the similarities, because obviously any number of works in a list are going to have both similarities and differences. What matters is the thing that unifies the list, the common theme that's explored in many variations. Fiction is all about finding new variations on recurring themes.


Explain to me why, if they're going to keep those in play, they'd have any reason to get rid of Earth-SG at all.

See my responses above and previous. It streamlines things and makes future events like a Justice League or character transfer much more natural. easy reasons why Palmer Tech might move to National City... less so for the Atom & Mr. Terrific & others to cross dimensions.

Trust me....you won't sweat the difference in the spring.

Is anyone going to stop watching Supergirl (or the other shows) because of the merge? I highly doubt it. I think we might see more social media trending in favor than against.

Too bad we can't bookmark messages to see how our fears and arguments hold up in 6 months to a year

 

[Christopher]

I have, but I haven't seen you address it -- Justice League (or some variation where we all know it's the Justice League, even if they don't name it as such.

Okay, but that's a hypothetical at this point. One, we already have a team show in Legends. Two, they're doing the JL in the movies, so maybe the shows wouldn't want to do the same. Three, if they did do a JL-type crossover, it would probably be just an intermittent thing for special events, in which case it would be a temporary team-up and wouldn't require a permanent universal merger.

It seems pretty clear to me that the approach of these shows isn't really all that different from the vintage DC approach -- they pretend to share a continuity, but really do pretty much their own independent things except when they have crossovers. (For instance, both The Flash and Arrow had potentially world-destroying climaxes on consecutive days, yet nobody on either show mentioned the convergence. And Barry showed up with powers for the funeral scene in Arrow at the same time that he was powerless in his own show.) So for all the talk of being one universe, they're really four different entities with four different writing teams developing four independent storylines, which only overlap when it's convenient. I'm not sure that really lends itself to a Justice League.

Another thing I mentioned is for characters to go after a show has ended (like say Felicity, if/when Arrow ends). Having them cross dimensions, in this age of ID theft awareness, really wouldn't work too well.

Unless they don't have an other-world counterpart. Or unless they make some specific arrangement to take over their counterpart's life, like Golden Age Wonder Woman did with the nurse who just happened to be her namesake and lookalike (which was very illegal, by the way).

Why do you keep insisting tat anyone wants to get rid of the multiverse in general?

I'm not. I'm just asking, as I already stated, that if we're okay with keeping the multiverse in general around, then why should we have anything against keeping Supergirl's world separate? It seems to me like the arguments against that separation are arguments against the viability of parallel worlds as a story device at all. Being fine with parallel worlds but being against that particular parallel world is a double standard that I don't understand. How can you be in favor of one and not the other?

We just want all of the the lead characters of the four series which are on the same network , on 4 consecutive days , of the week, but in the same world.

But one set of those characters, the Legends cast, is not in the same time as the others, as I said. They're roving through alternate pasts and futures, altering the timeline as they go, and sometimes traveling in space as well. So they're not routinely in the same world as the Flash and Arrow casts.

You insist that red trunk are somehow a fundamental part of Superman's identity. How could Superman (or a Super-being like Supergirl) being a fundamental part of a type of Justice League be so less important?

Don't be ridiculous. It makes no sense to treat two separate individual questions as if they were somehow subject to the exact same standards. Obviously each distinct case needs to be judged on its own merits. I am not arguing for or against all change, because that would be incredibly stupid. Obviously the question is whether each specific change is for the better or for the worse, or if it achieves the purpose that its proponents claim it would. I have heard people claim that merging the universes would be to the shows' benefits, and I have explained in detail why I am unconvinced by their arguments.

And also "who cares"? Those who market Justice League T-Shirts, lunch boxes, etc. They have Superman & Batman, and often include the Flash in that line-up. DC would love to build that association, not separate it

One more time: Separate in-story physical universes are not separate narrative universes. You are confusing two entirely different issues.

 

[JD]

Having Supperman and Supergirl in a separate universe would not make a Justice League difficult to get together. They're not always going to be working together so if something came up that needed the whole League together all they would have to do is jump over to the SG universe, and find one or both of the Els and jump back. It would probably be quicker and easier to bring them to Earth 1 than it would be to bring Olliver to Central City from Star City.

 

[TREK_GOD_1]

This claim again? The ratings weren't that bad. .

The ratings were tracked weekly and the downslide was there, with few exceptions.

 

[Thestral]

Star Trek is not a single series, it's a half-dozen or so. And it had the Mirror Universe spanning two of its series.

Three series' actually, but two of them only had a single episode each. And the more time they spent with it in DS9, the more derided the idea became.

Earth-2 characters were interacting with Earth-1 characters on a weekly basis in the last season of The Flash.

This is a red herring. Most of the time they were "stranded" on Earth-1, not zipping back and forth willy-nilly.

It seems pretty clear to me that the approach of these shows isn't really all that different from the vintage DC approach -- they pretend to share a continuity, but really do pretty much their own independent things except when they have crossovers. (For instance, both The Flash and Arrow had potentially world-destroying climaxes on consecutive days, yet nobody on either show mentioned the convergence. And Barry showed up with powers for the funeral scene in Arrow at the same time that he was powerless in his own show.) So for all the talk of being one universe, they're really four different entities with four different writing teams developing four independent storylines, which only overlap when it's convenient. I'm not sure that really lends itself to a Justice League.

That's not a DC thing, that's a "multiple franchises in the same universe" thing. Buffy and Angel (Jasmine or the First Evil?! You decide!), the Stargates, presumably the NCIS's... heck, Marvel's stuff, for the most part.

I'm just asking, as I already stated, that if we're okay with keeping the multiverse in general around, then why should we have anything against keeping Supergirl's world separate?

Well, one possibility is that dimension/universe hopping should be special. It shouldn't be something done casually, or that happens every day, but more like Doctor Who treats actual universe hopping. And we should want Supergirl and her crew to be able to casually interact with the other Arrowverse denizens.

 

[JD]

But they already can.

 

[Thestral]

I don't want them tearing a hole in the universe just to go see a concert together.

But I do want them to go see a concert together.

Well, Kara and Jimmy and Barry and Iris and Thea and Roy and Sarah. But Roy will be a grouch about the whole thing until the actual concert and then he totally fanboys Gunn-at-the-opera style. And Sarah will end up in bed with the lead singer.

 

[TREK_GOD_1]

Three series' actually, but two of them only had a single episode each. And the more time they spent with it in DS9, the more derided the idea became.

That's true--it was a milked idea, and the mirror concept lost all its mystique.