Nonsense.
Spoilers Supergirl - Season 2
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Because it would be fun and entertaining.
That's all the reason anyone needs.
That's all the reason anyone needs.
It should be done because then there's no need for "portal shenanigans" for crossovers and because then Wyn and Cisco and Curtis can hang out together with no more explanation than "they met up at Comic-Con."
But I don't need a compelling reason, personally. And I'm fine with a Dawn-style ripple effect on the world's memories/records.
But I don't need a compelling reason, personally. And I'm fine with a Dawn-style ripple effect on the world's memories/records.
Humpty dumpty sat on a wall.
(That's the Berlantiverse.)
Humpty Dumpty had a great Fall!
(That's Flashpoint. Barry saving his mother and killing young Reverse Flash in 2001.)
All the kings Horses and all the King's Men couldn't put Humpty Dumpty back together again.
(Which is the Flashpointed Berlanti Universe Mark II where every thing is super weird, followed by rectified put things "back to normal" Berlanti Universe Mark III which results in everything being almost the same, but now Superman and Supergirl have always lived on the Arrow's Earth.)
(That's the Berlantiverse.)
Humpty Dumpty had a great Fall!
(That's Flashpoint. Barry saving his mother and killing young Reverse Flash in 2001.)
All the kings Horses and all the King's Men couldn't put Humpty Dumpty back together again.
(Which is the Flashpointed Berlanti Universe Mark II where every thing is super weird, followed by rectified put things "back to normal" Berlanti Universe Mark III which results in everything being almost the same, but now Superman and Supergirl have always lived on the Arrow's Earth.)
Actually, while I think seeing Supes on the show will be fun, I hope when they do merge, they leave him out of it. I'd like to see Kara stand on her own.
Plus, since the inevitable poster will be the classic "v" pose. I'd love to see Benoist out front alone, especially assuming it would be Amell, Gustin, Harewood, and Routh immediately behind her.
Plus, since the inevitable poster will be the classic "v" pose. I'd love to see Benoist out front alone, especially assuming it would be Amell, Gustin, Harewood, and Routh immediately behind her.
Eh I don't really have much desire for that myself. Between Arrow, Flash and Legends we already get more than enough crossovers and cutesy references to other characters as it is, to the point where it's become a bit too routine and expected for my taste.
If they want to make it easy for characters to cross over, that's fine, but I'd still like to preserve the specialness of Supergirl and her world as much as possible, and not have her become just another character in the Arrowverse fighting crime in a superhero costume.
I don't get the panicking, it's not like it's going to effectively change anything either way how the shows exist by themselves. Arrow and Flash and LoT are pretty distinct shows even though they take place in the same universe, why would Supergirl lose some of her uniqueness by joining them?
True--its is clear after the sinking season one ratings, this crossover/shared universe business was designed to help / give numbers by association to the coming 2nd SG season. The SG world needs to operate on its own, independent of references, guest appearances or would-be "big events" tied to other series. Be the series it was trying to be in the pilot.
This claim again? The ratings weren't that bad. The pilot ratings were enormous, so a dropoff after that was expected and taken into account. True, the ratings that followed were not spectacular, but they were solidly middle-of-the-road, strong enough that CBS took a long time to decide whether to renew. Ultimately, the reason they didn't renew had less to do with ratings than with the fact that they licensed the show from Warner Bros. and thus couldn't profit as much from it as from a show they made and owned themselves (a factor that contributes to a lot of cancellations these days even when ratings are relatively strong).
A couple of fun pictures from Stephen Amell's Instagram.
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I don't get it either. Each show is still its own thing except for when the creators want them to cross over. Being in the same universe doesn't really change much of anything except make future crossovers less clunky.
And it wouldn't even do that. DC Comics did regular inter-universe crossovers in the comics for decades. As a couple of us have mentioned, last season's The Flash had pretty much weekly interaction between Earth-1 and Earth-2 characters. There are multiple ways to make universe-crossing as casual and routine as the plot needs it to be.
It might be a branding thing as well. You have four shows on consecutive nights so it makes it all part of a cohesive whole not unlike the MCU and whatever DC calls their films. Now they would all be definitively Arrowverse shows instead of Supergirl existing not unlike Gotham. I understand that the Arrowverse can crossover to Supergirl but this solidifies that to all outside observers not just those that have been following the series.
But a single narrative universe can include more than one physical universe. Fringe was centrally about the conflict between two parallel universes. The Mirror Universe is part of the Star Trek continuity. Dimension X is part of the Ninja Turtles continuity. There's a fundamental difference between a parallel world within a fictional continuity, like Earth-2 vis-a-vis The Flash or the Mirror Universe vis-a-vis Star Trek, and a separate fictional reality, like Gotham vis-a-vis The Flash or Star Wars vis-a-vis Star Trek. Supergirl has already been established as part of the narrative reality of the Arrowverse, regardless of being in a separate physical universe in-story.
Yeah, sure you can do it from a narrative perspective but it always has a caveat. It's part of the universe but connected through some portal. Now sure you can tell stories working with that but the other universe is disconnected from the main. I think that could make a difference in perception, that the series is part of the whole ... but not really. The problem isn't us viewers that watch all these series but how the properties are thought of by casual viewers, new viewers, marketing teams, networks, etc.
Put it another way, if DC only published four comics, what are the odds they'd all be in the same physical universe?
Put it another way, if DC only published four comics, what are the odds they'd all be in the same physical universe?
Worked fine with Earth-2 on The Flash this season. Heck, lots of fiction is about traveling through portals of one sort or another to get to the story, or things coming through portals from elsewhere to generate the story -- Stargate, Sliders, Syfy's Flash Gordon, The Chronicles of Narnia, you name it. There's even a whole genre called portal fantasy, though it refers less to the actual portals and more to the format of being swept away to another reality/existence by any means.
How is that any worse than Legends of Tomorrow, where the team is traipsing about through the past and future and outer space and rarely interacts with the characters in Star and Central City? How is it okay for that show to be separate in its way but not for Supergirl?
Besides, you're only looking at the separation between universes as a potential problem, and not trying to see it as a potential opportunity. Any problem or obstacle is a source of storytelling possibilities, because stories are about people facing problems and obstacles. There are plenty of ways that the separation between the universes could be used to make the stories more interesting, whether from a plot perspective or a character perspective or a worldbuilding perspective. There's a lot of potential in the cultural clash between a world that's used to having superpowered aliens around and a world that's still wrapping its head around the idea of metahumans. There's potential in stories where characters from one world are stuck in the other for some reason, though we've already seen that. Contrast creates interest.
Really, I doubt most of those people would notice the difference, or make too big a deal out of it. As long as they see that the characters interact and the shows affect each other, casual viewers won't care about the difference between characters being in separate universes or just separate cities. Certainly marketers wouldn't give a damn; to them, the internal "reality" of the thing they're promoting is irrelevant, because they're approaching it as a product to be sold.
Actually, to start with, they pretty much weren't. The early DC superhero comics, back when there were just a few of them, all but completely ignored each other. Even when they started occasionally teaming up heroes in things like World's Finest and the Justice Society stories, they'd only be treated as sharing a universe for the duration of the team-up, and their individual books would still just ignore each other and do their own things. DC's universe took a long time to consolidate, and it was always a hybrid of realities that started out separate.
And if we're looking to DC precedent, let's remember that DC inaugurated the parallel-worlds idea in "Flash of Two Worlds" in 1961, embracing it and using it regularly for the next 25 years. And when they tried to get rid of it in 1986, it didn't stick, and they eventually brought it back. That's why the Berlantiverse has been able to embrace the multiverse concept this past year -- because it's an integral part of DC's conceptual framework. And embracing the multiverse worked well last year, so why would they want to abandon it now?
Imagine if Marvel movies were all on separate Earths and then people had to jump through portals every time they wanted to team up.
Sure it can work, technically, but would so many people be invested just as much in that entire universe if it was more loose in its connections?
Sure it can work, technically, but would so many people be invested just as much in that entire universe if it was more loose in its connections?
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