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Spoilers Supergirl - Season 2

My statement was not meant to be taken so literally.




That's just it, though -- Gotham didn't become a "gothic, crime-ridden hell-hole" until Frank Miller and Tim Burton came along. For the majority of its history, it was just a city like any other. (In fact, it was actually called New York in one of the very early issues.) It had as much crime and corruption as would be typical for any vigilante-based adventure story, but it wasn't portrayed as fundamentally any more corrupt or awful than any other city in DC Comics. (Heck, people say Metropolis is the bright and happy one, but in the early Superman comics and radio series, it was a hotbed of political corruption and racketeering.) And in the Silver Age, when comics lightened up under the Comics Code, Gotham City was no less appealing a place to live than Metropolis or Star City or Central City or any of the others. The darkening of Gotham began with The Dark Knight Returns, which posited a dystopian future where things had become utterly horrible, far worse than in the present. Then Miller did Batman: Year One and established the idea that Gotham needed a vigilante in the first place because the law was too corrupt to do its job -- but the implicit idea was that it was only that bad in the past because there was no Batman or Commissioner Gordon yet. However, later Batman writers neglected the "period" settings of both and portrayed present-day Gotham as a mix of both, a dystopian hellpit so corrupt and decayed that you wondered why anyone even lived there. And it got pretty ludicrous how far they took it.

So I don't feel that Batman stories need a Gotham that's constantly, incurably corrupt. As an incentive for Batman to have started in the past, okay, that makes sense, but if it just stays so awful despite all Batman's efforts, then doesn't that make him a failure?

Also, when did it stop being Gotham City and just become Gotham? Nobody ever seems to use the full name anymore.




Superman's been active for over a dozen years. I'd be surprised if Kara Danvers and James Olsen were the only two people inspired to follow his example. So yeah, there could be other crimefighters we haven't met yet. The longer the series goes on, the more likely it is that we'll meet some of them.

Personally I hope it's the modern, gritty Gotham City. Just because it makes that line so much funnier. And it's not like we're going be spending a lot of time there in a show about Supergirl anyway.
 
Superman's been active for over a dozen years. I'd be surprised if Kara Danvers and James Olsen were the only two people inspired to follow his example. So yeah, there could be other crimefighters we haven't met yet. The longer the series goes on, the more likely it is that we'll meet some of them.
Didn't some make a reference somewhere to a guy in a mask in another city?
 
Didn't some make a reference somewhere to a guy in a mask in another city?

Yep, Kara - in Truth, Justice And The American Way to the Master Jailer (if I recall).

"I thought masks were only big in that other city"
 
I'd like that too. But wonder how that could work with that other show with Gotham and a Gordon seemingly having a hold on Bat things.

Heck, if they can have different Flashes in TV and movies, and if Syfy can do a Krypton prequel series that's (we think) set in the DCEU Krypton rather than the Supergirl Krypton, then I don't see why Supergirl couldn't have its own Batgirl. Heck, The Flash has codified the idea of the multiverse and the existence of different Flashes on different Earths, so viewers could implicitly assume that it was a parallel reality from Gotham or the movies or whatever.
 
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Heck, if they can have different Flashes in TV and movies, and if Syfy can do a Krypton prequel series that's (we think) set in the DCEU Krypton rather than the Supergirl Krypton, then I don't see why Supergirl couldn't have its own Batgirl. Heck, The Flash has codified the idea of the multiverse and the existence of different Flashes on different Earths, so viewers could implicitly assume that it was a parallel reality from Gotham or the movies or whatever.

Logically, yes, but given that GOTHAM and SUPERGIRL air at the same time on different networks, I can see where that might be politically . . . awkward.

I'm sure the viewers wouldn't mind, but maybe the GOTHAM people might get the noses out of joint. I assume Warner/DC is trying hard to keeping everybody happy, despite the fact that GOTHAM and SUPERGIRL occupy the time slots. (Just speculation on my part, to be clear. I don't have any inside info here.)
 
Logically, yes, but given that GOTHAM and SUPERGIRL air at the same time on different networks, I can see where that might be politically . . . awkward.

Oh, I see your point. FOX might see it as direct competition in a way that other DC characters aren't. (Of course, Gotham bares only the vaguest resemblance to any normal Batman story at this point.)

Still, given that the last major screen appearance of Batgirl (other than DC Super Hero Girls) was in the animated movie of The Killing Joke, which is widely derided for its atrocious handling of her character, I for one would love to see Berlanti, Adler, Kreisberg and the Supergirl crew give us a Batgirl so awesome that it would expunge that sour taste from our minds. (Maybe something based on the "Batgirl of Burnside" comics, which were a lot of fun.)

Here's an idea -- toss in some scenes of Kara having text exchanges with her friend Babs from Gotham, with the texts ambiguously phrased to suggest they're having crimefighting team-ups between episodes.
 
@Christopher It's already been confirmed that SyFy's Krypton is set in the MoS/DCEU continuity.

Regarding the existence of Bat Family characters on "Earth-CBS", my personal headcanon on that is that they do exist and that Kara's quip in Truth, Justice, and the American Way was in relation to them, even though there are no plans at the present time to feature them as per Greg Berlanti.
 
@Christopher It's already been confirmed that SyFy's Krypton is set in the MoS/DCEU continuity.

Given that the Internet definition of "confirmed" tends to be "I read it somewhere so it must be true," I remain unconvinced. I saw that asserted some time back, but I more recently read something suggesting that it wasn't known for certain, that people were just assuming that David Goyer's involvement had to mean that it was in the same continuity. And even if it was the plan when the show was first announced, that doesn't mean it will necessarily remain the plan, because plans can change in the development process. Given that DC/WB generally prefers to keep its feature and TV continuities separate -- and given how massively expensive it would be to recreate the look of Snyder's Krypton on a Syfy budget -- I'd actually be a little surprised if they did stick to that plan.
 

All he actually said was that it takes place 200 years before MoS. That certainly sounds like it's a direct prequel, but it's conceivable that he could've been speaking imprecisely and been misconstrued. Reporters have a nasty habit of reading too much into single sentences, which is why I always read the news defensively. If it is in the DCEU, we will find that out for sure when more solid information is released. Until then, there's no harm in keeping an open mind. Your link is from a year ago, and as I said, plans can change. I'll be surprised if we get a Krypton that looks like Snyder's Krypton instead of Planet Vancouver.
 
I didn't say I was hoping it looked like that one.

Though while we're at it, I'm also getting a little tired of seeing the Vancouver Central Library pop up everywhere. At least three different cities on two Earths in the past five weeks, and in two different places in Central City.
 
Down the line when one of the current shows eventually ends, I could see a Batgirl spin-off show set on Supergirl's Earth as an interesting replacement. :)
 

The quote:

It takes place 200 years before Man of Steel,” Goyer said at the junket. “We’re treating Krypton like it’s a historical piece,” which is something it shares with the TV show he was there to directly promote. “We look to previous cultures on Earth to model what that would be like.”

Goyer sent a strong message: he would have no reason to refer to Man of Steel if the Krypton series had no connection to the DC movies--alone. With this move, DC is trying to go the Marvel route of linking TV & films, only the TV side will be a fresh start with no connection to Gotham, or the Berlanti series.
 
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