There IS no "no full-on Superman on the show rule".
They're doing what they're doing BY CHOICE.
They're doing what they're doing BY CHOICE.
Spoilers Supergirl - Season 1
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I wouldn't count on Lord's daisy-sniffing days to last...they're just setting him up to pull the rug out from everyone by doing something really bastardly. (Always assuming that the show survives, of course.)
She gets triple money and an imdb listing if they let her talk.
It also means that her next job will also have lines.
Extra, no more.
It also means that her next job will also have lines.
Extra, no more.
What on earth makes you think that?
She should get a bonus for playing impending street pizza.
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Eh, the more I think about a Superman/Supergirl team-up, the less enamored I am of the idea, even for a one-off episode. Supergirl's kind of the little Kryptonian engine that could, and one of the things I like about her is that she has to figure out how to save the day without her cousin. And Superman's a total hog anyway. He sucks up all the air in the room...
I think they just should've went with Superman being off-world. Bringing him back down to be enthralled just seemed unnecessarily messy.
Then it's a STUPID choice! If they're going to keep putting Supergirl up against Superman's rogue's gallery then it just makes freaking common sense that Superman would actually show up to help at some point! If they refuse to do that, then freaking get Supergirl her own villains!
Probably what they're doing is establishing that Supergirl can hold her own, even against some from Superman's rogue gallery.
I get that, but including Superman's villains, for whatever reason, just amps up the expectation that we'll actually see Superman. Just once. That's all we ask. Flying him all the way to National City just to have him succumb with some cock-and-bull story that growing up here made his KRYPTONIAN brain different was moronic.
They'll bring her back for time travel episodes where they go back to season one, Mirror universe stories, and it's possible that her ghost might show up later on in a spooky episode about the occult.
Oh remember Nikki and Palo from Lost?
They replayed the entire series, 2 or 3 seasons, but splicing in 2 new characters who had always retroactively been there during the course of one episode.
They did something Mirror Universe similar in Andromeda too with the XO who was murdered in the pilot by Hercules.
Not for me. One of the questions that kind of nagged me about Superman was "What happens when he's too busy elsewhere to stop Villain X?" and Supergirl sort of answers that.
Maybe he could pop out of James's watch....
Hank's death would--as Smith said--make fans cry, but he's a major superhero, and this series cannot afford to lose a character of that level, especially in this period where DC movies "threaten" to capture all of the DC attention.
In order to make fans cry, the character must be someone with a deep emotional tie to Kara, but not be the necessary superhero the series needs. I guess her mother dying--if scripted properly--could generate tears, but she has not been established enough for the audience to care.
Agreed.
Yeah, there was so much standing around, tossing the "who has the best plan" ball at each other.
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If Supergirl's producers wanted no full on appearances, then why continue to use distance CG figures and silhouettes? This series is set in Superman's world; Supergirl is only a part of that, so there's the expectation of seeing THE DC superhero, who just so happens to be her cousin.
They certainly seem to want Superman on the series, but Superman one of WB's biggest properties meant for the movies.
Or he gets shrunk by an encounter with red kryptonite and needs her help until it wears off.
The want Superman to be part of the world - and rightfully so - but do not want him to overshadow his cousin, which would happen the instant they showed him in full.
They're very much taking the "Veep Seasons 1-3" approach where the President is present-but-not-seen.
The show is not under ANY restrictions whatsoever regarding characters that they can or cannot use; if they were, we would know about it.
The Kara Zor-El version of Supergirl doesn't actually HAVE very many of her own villains. She's a character that is intrinsically linked to her cousin in pretty much every respect.
And I disagree that using villains associated with the "Super-Family" automatically means that you're obligated to utilize every single heroic member of said "family".
The Kara Zor-El version of Supergirl can fight bad guys more commonly associated with her cousin without having to have her cousin show up. Claiming otherwise is drawing a line in the sand that just isn't realistic and flies in the face of practicality.
By your notion, every single comic series that has ever been written featuring Supergirl automatically had to involve Superman simply because they share a power set and a Rogues gallery. It just doesn't work that way, nor should it have to.
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The minute Superman overshadows Supergirl I might be done with the series. My concern when the series started was the idea of Superman showing up at every whim and this show is called Supergirl after all. I don't want to watch these episodes and think gee I wonder if Superman will show up and upstage everything Supergirl is trying to prove. I wish they wrote something in the show which would make Superman no longer an issue. Maybe he gets sucked into the multiverse, or he goes off world. It probably is hard to come up with a reason though, unfortunately.
One of the reasons I haven't followed this show is the lack of Kal-El. Don't care about Superman, but I wanted to see some moments between her and Kal. She didn't grow up here like Kal did and it would've been nice to see him help her adjust to Earth life as a mentor. Just letting her try to figure out how to use her powers without any help or guidance is stupid and irresponsible.
One of the things that always annoyed me about Kara and Kal in the Pre-Crisis days is that they never really seemed to be related. Sure, we were told they were, but I never really felt it. Mainly because Supergirl, like Superboy, were created as franchise expansions, and never really seemed to connect like they should have to Superman. Not like Mary and Junior Marvel did to Cap. After watching the pilot it just felt like a massively missed opportunity to not develop the relationship between Kara and Kal. They're cousins, but they don't really feel like it.
I watched the crossover with The Flash, and while it was fun, the show seemed too fluffy to me. I watched an episode of The Flash after it and was surprised at how dark that show seemed by comparison. Didn't care for Silver Banshee wearing make up. I mean, really? Female villain can't just transform into Silver Banshee, she needed a "makeover"? Also, Cat Grant was just fucking annoying beyond belief. They should've toned her shtick down and just made her "gruff" like Perry White since they're lifting so much stuff from Superman anyway. I can see how people would work for Perry, I can't see why anyone would want to work for an asshole like Cat.
I'd been wanting to catch up on the show, but those things are big strikes against it. I may wait until the season ends and rethink that.
One of the things that always annoyed me about Kara and Kal in the Pre-Crisis days is that they never really seemed to be related. Sure, we were told they were, but I never really felt it. Mainly because Supergirl, like Superboy, were created as franchise expansions, and never really seemed to connect like they should have to Superman. Not like Mary and Junior Marvel did to Cap. After watching the pilot it just felt like a massively missed opportunity to not develop the relationship between Kara and Kal. They're cousins, but they don't really feel like it.
I watched the crossover with The Flash, and while it was fun, the show seemed too fluffy to me. I watched an episode of The Flash after it and was surprised at how dark that show seemed by comparison. Didn't care for Silver Banshee wearing make up. I mean, really? Female villain can't just transform into Silver Banshee, she needed a "makeover"? Also, Cat Grant was just fucking annoying beyond belief. They should've toned her shtick down and just made her "gruff" like Perry White since they're lifting so much stuff from Superman anyway. I can see how people would work for Perry, I can't see why anyone would want to work for an asshole like Cat.
I'd been wanting to catch up on the show, but those things are big strikes against it. I may wait until the season ends and rethink that.
From a 'realistic' standpoint, I would say that notion that two superheroes of this calibre would exist in such close proximity and never directly interact is pretty bad in and of itself. Sure, they live separate lives and it's great that they can count on each other to take up the slack when necessary, but sometimes there are going to be occassions where they really should be working together, even potentially without actually intending to. And considering they're 1) family and 2) the last remaining members of their entire species, even if they don't work together, they should have some kind of face to face relationship at least some of the time (it's not like distance is really even a problem for them the way it is for regular family members who live in different cities - there's no logical reason why their relationship seems to exist exclusively in text messages). To have him continually referenced, and even show up in multiple episodes, but never say a word to her face to face is already ridiculous, and it gets worse every time to they do it again (especially since the cgi they keep using for him is terrible). Though I can understand the decision of not wanting to include him directly in the shows early days, it really does need to happen eventually, or there needs to be an actual reason why it doesn't happen.
I'm also not sure why doing a special episode that honestly includes him would automatically have to be about him overshadowing Supergirl. That's down to the writing, not the choice of making the episode or not.
Honestly, at this point I feel like the show is taking this tack with Superman just because they don't really have any idea what they do or don't want to do with the character in the future, so they're unwilling to cast someone now who might not fit what they want in the future.
I'm also not sure why doing a special episode that honestly includes him would automatically have to be about him overshadowing Supergirl. That's down to the writing, not the choice of making the episode or not.
Honestly, at this point I feel like the show is taking this tack with Superman just because they don't really have any idea what they do or don't want to do with the character in the future, so they're unwilling to cast someone now who might not fit what they want in the future.