Its naive to think a series where characters make demeaning comments about men is doing a thing for the equality of women, however some are quite comfortable to put on glasses only allowing that which they want to see.
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Its naive to think a series where characters make demeaning comments about men is doing a thing for the equality of women, however some are quite comfortable to put on glasses only allowing that which they want to see.
Well, gee, thanks for pointing out that this comic book fan is part of an insignificant minority whose opinions mean very little. I'll be sure to keep that in mind as we continue our discussion.
But on that subject: if the opinions and input of people who actually read comic books are that unnecessary to the success of the show, then why the hell is the focus of it a comic book character, who dresses like a comic book character and interacts with friends and foes taken right out of comic books? It's like opening an Italian restaurant and saying "Who gives a fuck what people from Italy think of the food?"
Let's be real: if the creators really had no interest in offering any kind of satisfaction to comic book fans they would be doing Supergirl (and all the other Berlanti DC shows) like Kenneth Johnson's The Incredible Hulk, where the only things they took from the comic book are the title character and the title. There was never any question about what characters and villains would be added from the comics because you were made aware from the outset that the series creators were going to stay away from all that, for various reasons. So why isn't Berlanti and company doing it that way if comic book fans don't matter? (My theory is Kenneth Johnson and Co. were exponentially better writers than Berlanti and Co.)
Just because you think Livewire and Maxwell Lord are obscure doesn't mean they are, dave. Livewire is probably second only to Harley Quinn in the popularity of cartoon villains that transitioned to comics, and Maxwell Lord has been a huge deal in the comics since he was introduced in JL and later was killed by Wonder Woman. Just because neither one is Brainiac or Lex Luthor doesn't make them second-raters, so that's not an excuse for just throwing them into the Supergirl series.
Actually, I'd say that it's more like saying "who gives a fuck what people who like Italian food think of the food." And all because it's just being served in a different venue.
But hey, when it's someone's only defense for why someone is producing a horrifically inaccurate portrayal of an established character, it's apparently an awesome defense. Somehow. And anyone who dares reject it as a valid argument is an annoying fool who's just mad for Reasons™. (But only as long as they're talking about something they like; if roles are reversed, those Reasons™ become absurd and makes you an annoying fool for NewReasons™, which in no way can be used in the previous argument because of EvenNewerReasons™.)
No question about that. The contrast is glaring, but i'm certain as a result of you posting that, some Supergirl defender will claim SG is not aimed at the same demographic (nevermind that the Hulk was a success with children, teens and adults of both genders), and intensify criticism of The Incredible Hulk in the ME-TV thread currently covering the series.
Agreed, but Berlanti has few options--other than what appeared to be an attempt to (after soapboxing) drape SG with the feel and memory of Superman and other DC properties, because the souce has no great rogue's gallery.
I would go further. I would argue that SG is aimed exactly at Hulk's audience by being on a network who's major demographic is the same type of adult audience that made Hulk popular way back when. And they can criticize the show all they like. It was better written and better acted and - if these guys don't get their act together - it will probably have had a longer run when the smoke clears.
But what's stopping them from making one up? This is what I don't get. Why fall back on SM's slate of characters when the lack of rogues gallery for SG means they can pretty much make up what they please? Are they contractually obligated to use Superman villains or something?
Bring on some LSH villains--Supergirl vs. The Fatal Five!
(Noting that we already got the Persuader in all but name. They could use him.)
(Noting that we already got the Persuader in all but name. They could use him.)
There's certainly nothing wrong with using the comics for inspiration, and that is undeniably a huge part of the appeal of these shows for myself and a lot of other people. But I've just never understood this desire on the part of you, Kirk55555 and others to have everything be totally and completely faithful to the comics no matter what. That is the attitude that I just don't think a lot of viewers share.
Berlanti has been taking similar liberties with characters in his other shows, so I don't see why Supergirl should be any different. And while I certainly wouldn't call Berlanti the greatest superhero writer ever born, his approach has more often than not has resulted in some pretty darn entertaining shows (and probably some of the best ever made... at least until Daredevil and Jessica Jones came along).
My problem is not that they aren't being faithful to the comics. My problem is they're burying their lead character in the cast from somebody else's comics and cartoons!
Flash battles Flash's villains. Green Arrow, mostly, battle's Green Arrow's villains. Supergirl is different because she has no villains of her own to battle and her creators are too lazy to make up any, so they make her a Superman avatar.
You just made my point for me. Have you seen Daredevil Season 2? You want to talk faithful to the comics?[/quote]
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Only if you see taking the opportunity to bring to life classic characters that no other live action properties are using as some sort of problem....
It might be a problem if there's a reason why nobody is using them...
Ok, this is BS. I LOVE the Flash, its story, and its characters. That includes Cisco and Caitlyn, who are very, very different from their comic versions. I also like Joe West a lot, who has nothing to do with the comics. I'm also a fan of Ray Palmer, (who is nothing like the comic version), Sara Lance (on LoT at least, and she has no comic counterpart), Supergirl's j'onn j'onzz and more. So, saying I want superhero adaptations to be 100% faithful to the comics is completely false. What differences I'll like, or at least accept, differ on a case by case basis, but I can completely enjoy differences. The biggest condition, though, is that the changes don't compromise the core of the big characters. Superman and Batman don't kill, Green Arrow doesn't decide to quit being a hero every five seconds, etc.
Yeah, I believe that characters should be recognizable. You don't just take the name and very basic stuff and eject everything else. Marvel gets it perfectly, The Flash and Legends of Tomorrow usually get it, and Arrow used to be ok at it. If you don't want to use the hero in the comic, don't use them. Don't steal the name/powers for someone completely different (like the horrible Atom Smasher and Doctor Light in Flash, probably the biggest mistakes the show has made when it comes to representing comic characters). Its not an adaptation if you're just using names and/or powers. Its making up a new character and giving them a familiar name for cheap brand recognition.
Oh god, no. The Legion doesn't deserve to be stuck on Supergirl, they deserve something good like The Flash, or at least Legends of Tomorrow.
Supergirl and the Legion have a shared history.
When Barry went to live in the 30th century, it was his kids that eventually joined the Legion.
When Barry went to live in the 30th century, it was his kids that eventually joined the Legion.
And we've seen Superman's flight ring. If they're doing the Legion, it'll be on Supergirl.
(Unless Supergirl gets canceled, in which case they're fair game for one of the other shows.)
(Unless Supergirl gets canceled, in which case they're fair game for one of the other shows.)
Yeah, I know. But, Legends of Tomorrow has time travel, better writers then Supergirl, and doesn't have Cat Grant. Maybe they could have Rip Hunter pick up Supergirl, and then they can all team up with the Legion. I'd like to see Supergirl with the Legion, just don't without her supporting cast or writers.
As for Barry, I'm pretty sure berlanti will never allow Barry and Iris to get together (because he hates the character relationships from the comic books), so there will never be a Don and Dawn Allen in the berlanti verse, at least not ones even remotely like the comic versions.
Eh, I can easily see them on Legends of Tomorrow. I think the Supergirl thing was just an easter egg. There can be two versions of the Legion anyway, one on a good show and one that's just briefly mentioned on Cat Grant: The series.
That's debatable at best.
LoT has its problems, but every superhero show not named Arrow has better writers than Supergirl, at least in my opinion. Give me Rip & Co being idiots sometimes over Cat Grant: The series any day of the week.
Sometimes a new executive producer walks onto their set and says "Burn everything."
Season 4 starts in the 31st century, and no one ever mentions National City ever again.
Season 4 starts in the 31st century, and no one ever mentions National City ever again.
That would be amazing.
Cat Grant: The Series is not too far from the truth.