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Spoilers Supergirl - Season 1

Meanwhile, I like the "natural" tension of Kara being confronted on the DEO ethics, and that the hero, on occasional can stray & needs to be reminded of what's right. So good for Jimmy on that...being a real friend to Kara/Supergirl.

But then we have the opposite with the "I have to tell Lucy the truth"....yeah, that all makes no sense to me either. Hopefully, they can clarify/create a reasonable solution.

I don't see the opposition. In both respects, James's concern is for fairness and treating people right. And it's not like he went behind Kara's back to tell Lucy. He explicitly said that he needed Kara's permission to tell Lucy the truth. He won't betray Kara's confidence, but he's having to betray Lucy's trust in order to preserve Kara's confidence, and that puts him in an untenable position.

Besides, I don't see that big a problem with James's request. Kara hasn't exactly been all that cautious with her secret identity. She blurted it out to Winn at the first opportunity, she made no attempt to hide it from her family, and the entire DEO staff seems to be aware of it. Heck, even Max Lord knows. She kept it from Cat because she was afraid of the media exposure and of losing the job she values, but is there really a good reason not to bring Lucy into their confidence? She's Kara's friend and James's girlfriend, and she's helped the team out on several occasions. And she's a lawyer, so keeping confidences is something she's good at. The one iffy matter is that her father is Sam Lane, but the same goes for Lois, and if James knows that Superman is Clark Kent, then Lois probably does by this point as well. (I'm pretty sure General Lane doesn't know Supergirl's civilian ID. Hank has made a point of calling her "Supergirl" rather than "Miss Danvers" when Lane was around.)
 
Does Supergirl have any kind of a rogues' gallery of her own? New 52 or otherwise? Cause all the Superman villains are doing is making me wish this was a Superman series.

Master Jailer? Really? In his first appearance in comics the most badass thing he managed was trapping Supes in a kryptonite laced suit. Past that he was kind of a pussy. Is the New 52 version more of a badass or something? (As you've probably guessed, I don't read a lot of the New 52...)

This Kira/Cat/Siobhan thing is nonsense. If Kara's not doing her job you suspend or fire her. You don't hire another assistant to make her jealous. Who's writing this shit?

Christopher's right about Henshaw. A leader's ultimately responsible for whatever his/her subordinates do, so taking responsibility for Alex killing Astra is absolutely part of his job.

Jimmy Olson wants to tell somebody else Kara's Supergirl? Fuck, why not just have Kara tell Cat and just do the reveal on Catco worldwide? Get it over with.

Overall, not a fantastic episode.
 
Nope, feminists will tell you that all stereotypes about women are wrong and women never act like that. Because they don't, and those ridiculous stereotypes showed up just to oppress them! Unlike men, us women are perfect in every way, especially socially, and we would never ever dream of backstabbing one of our own. As if!

But yes, it's painfully accurate.

Indeed.

i agree that J'onn is doing what's best...at least for now. It's not "fair", but he is emotionally strong enough to take it...and it's clear to him that Kara & Alex's relationship would be devastated by the truth right now.

Alex and Kara's relationship is irrelevant when the ability of the DEO to be effective could be threatened by Supergirl--thinking she cannot stand or trust its leader, accusing him of an act he did not commit. Some love to talk about ethics of characters on this show, but shift positions about Alex, who is the most unethical of all, as her aforementioned obsession with "sisterhood" is the reason she did not step up one second after Hank's lie to tell SG the truth.

Remember, Alex does not run the DEO--Hank does, so all missions and directives go through him; if SG resents him, she will not be as effective as an asset to the DEO. The longer Alex allows Hank to be abused, the worst the blow to her precious relationship once the truth comes out...IF the writers do not punk out about it & mind wipe SG being angry at the killing of her aunt.


But then we have the opposite with the "I have to tell Lucy the truth"....yeah, that all makes no sense to me either. Hopefully, they can clarify/create a reasonable solution.

Yes, that is another situation where a character is so desperate to maintain a personal relationship, that all reason is flushed down the toilet. That really made James--normally, the most rational character--astoundingly weak minded.
 
This Kira/Cat/Siobhan thing is nonsense. If Kara's not doing her job you suspend or fire her. You don't hire another assistant to make her jealous. Who's writing this shit?

Its appealing to the girlie soap opera gimmicks a certain part of the Berlanti fanbase likes more than the superhero content. You are correct, no one adds a person to their payroll only to be a foil for an underling--and yes, that is exactly what Kara is.
 
Starhaven is the home of Dawnstar. In short, it seem that the inhabitants of the planet are members of the Anasazi tribe who were abducted from Earth and placed there. They also have wings due to genetic engineering. Looks like the show didn't go that route.

Just as well, given the problematical elements of that concept. The link says the "Anasazi" people were believed to be extinct on Earth, but "Anasazi" is a term applied by outsiders to the ancestors of the modern Pueblo peoples. Their society didn't die out, it just abandoned their elaborate cliffside dwellings due to a climate shift. And from what I've seen of Dawnstar, she seems to be a rather stereotyped character. Of course, her superpower is tracking!
 
I can understand Kara being a bit upset or curt around Hank over the death of Astra, but it did seem like the outrage was turned up a little too high in this episode. And you'd think she'd be more understanding of the fact it was a fierce battle and he likely would have had no other choice.

Although at the same time, I do love how the writers aren't afraid to paint Kara as someone who has a temper, is a bit morally gray, and makes controversial decisions at times. It makes for a much more interesting and complex character than we've seen with any of the Superman shows and movies over the years (in which he always seemed completely confident in his decisions and hardly ever did the wrong thing).

And personally I thought the little rivalry between Kara and Siobhan was a lot of fun to watch as well.
 
This Kira/Cat/Siobhan thing is nonsense. If Kara's not doing her job you suspend or fire her. You don't hire another assistant to make her jealous. Who's writing this shit?

I agree. I think the writers have a problem here. On one hand, they want Supergirl/Kara to work at Catco as a way of showing her civilian side. Like with Superman, the character needs to have two lives, the super hero life and the civilian alter ego life. on the other hand, what we've seen at Catco, there is no way in real life that Kara would still have her job. A personal assistant like her would normally always be at her desk, answering calls and taking care of any task that the boss needs to delegate. But Kara has been routinely late or missing in action, constantly running off to be Supergirl or to chat with James and Winn in their secret office. Realistically, there should have been dozens of times when Cat asked Kara to do something and she is awol from her desk. And then we have Kara's odd and sometimes unprofessional behavior. So realistically, the writers should have Kara get fired but then they lose the alter ego civilian side of the character.
 
Does Supergirl have any kind of a rogues' gallery of her own? New 52 or otherwise? Cause all the Superman villains are doing is making me wish this was a Superman series.

Well to be fair, even though she's had her own comic at times, Supergirl's world has still often crossed over with Superman's, so it doesn't seem unreasonable to me that she would eventually fight a lot of the same villains.

And plus these are pretty obscure villains they're using anyway, that most of the audience has likely never heard of. So I don't think it really matters all that much.

Its appealing to the girlie soap opera gimmicks a certain part of the Berlanti fanbase likes more than the superhero content. You are correct, no one adds a person to their payroll only to be a foil for an underling--and yes, that is exactly what Kara is.

Well most bosses wouldn't bother with such a thing, but Cat clearly likes to do things her own unique way and obviously has too much of an interest in Kara to simply let her go, so I could easily buy her doing something crazy like this. Whether it's just for kicks to get under Kara's skin or to make her want to compete harder for her job.
 
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I can understand Kara being a bit upset or curt around Hank over the death of Astra, but it did seem like the outrage was turned up a little too high in this episode. And you'd think she'd be more understanding of the fact it was a fierce battle and he likely would have had no other choice.

All else being equal, sure. But consider: For the past dozen years, she believed that all of her family except Kal-El was dead. Then, just a few months ago, she found that her aunt was still alive, but was now the enemy. And just when it looked like she might have a chance to change her aunt's mind, to win her back over, that was taken from her. Under the circumstances, I can understand why she's taking it so hard.


Although at the same time, I do love how the writers aren't afraid to paint Kara as someone who has a temper, is a bit morally gray, and makes controversial decisions at times. It makes for a much more interesting and complex character than we've seen with any of the Superman shows and movies over the years (in which he always seemed completely confident in his decisions and hardly ever did the wrong thing).

Discounting Man of Steel, where he was quite indecisive throughout and made some very questionable decisions as a result of following bad advice. And Lois & Clark and Smallville, where Clark was often conflicted or indecisive about the right way to use his powers or approach a relationship.


I agree. I think the writers have a problem here. On one hand, they want Supergirl/Kara to work at Catco as a way of showing her civilian side. Like with Superman, the character needs to have two lives, the super hero life and the civilian alter ego life. on the other hand, what we've seen at Catco, there is no way in real life that Kara would still have her job. A personal assistant like her would normally always be at her desk, answering calls and taking care of any task that the boss needs to delegate. But Kara has been routinely late or missing in action, constantly running off to be Supergirl or to chat with James and Winn in their secret office. Realistically, there should have been dozens of times when Cat asked Kara to do something and she is awol from her desk. And then we have Kara's odd and sometimes unprofessional behavior. So realistically, the writers should have Kara get fired but then they lose the alter ego civilian side of the character.

Yeah... It's easier for Clark, because in his job as a reporter, it makes sense for him to be away from the office a lot of the time, with the assumption being that he's out on the beat, pursuing stories.

But davejames has a point -- Cat has been established as someone who likes to cultivate young women with potential, and we saw with Leslie Willis/Livewire that she's willing to indulge a lot of problematical behavior in her protegees.

Also, in this day and age, is it really as necessary to be physically in the office at all times, as long as you have your cell with you? We've seen that Kara wears an earbud that she uses both to communicate with the DEO and to take calls from Cat. Maybe Cat routinely sends her out of the office on errands -- get her coffee, get her lunch, pick up her prescriptions, buy her shoes or dresses for work events, go in person to arrange important interviews or make reservations that would be harder to get over the phone, etc. So Cat expects Kara to be away from her desk a lot.
 
Nope, feminists will tell you that all stereotypes about women are wrong and women never act like that. Because they don't, and those ridiculous stereotypes showed up just to oppress them! Unlike men, us women are perfect in every way, especially socially, and we would never ever dream of backstabbing one of our own. As if!

But yes, it's painfully accurate.

This is a strong statement.... what do you base it on? Anecdotal evidence? Or something more solid?
 
When Jimmy was giving Kara the morality lecture and mentioned that she is supposed to stand for truth and justice, I was expecting him to use Superman as an example to support his case, especially since the episode was called "truth, justice and the american way". That used to be Superman's motto. I was surprised that there was no Superman reference. Jimmy should have said something like "I know your cousin would not approve of your methods. He always stood up for the right thing."
 
Well to be fair, even though she's had her own comic at times, Supergirl's world has still often crossed over with Superman's, so it doesn't seem unreasonable to me that she would eventually fight a lot of the same villains.

And plus these are pretty obscure villains they're using anyway, that most of the audience has likely never heard of. So I don't think it really matters all that much.

Wait...Toyman, Live Wire and Bizarro are obscure villains nobody's ever heard of? Are you kidding?


Well most bosses wouldn't bother with such a thing, but Cat clearly likes to do things her own unique way and obviously has too much of an interest in Kara to simply let her go, so I could easily buy her doing something crazy like this. Whether it's just for kicks to get under Kara's skin or to make her want to compete harder for her job.

"Unique" is not the same thing as sensible. Sensible would be if Cat suspended Kara without pay until she got her crap together. That way, you achieve the same goal without firing her or resorting to soap opera BS.
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Also, in this day and age, is it really as necessary to be physically in the office at all times, as long as you have your cell with you? We've seen that Kara wears an earbud that she uses both to communicate with the DEO and to take calls from Cat. Maybe Cat routinely sends her out of the office on errands -- get her coffee, get her lunch, pick up her prescriptions, buy her shoes or dresses for work events, go in person to arrange important interviews or make reservations that would be harder to get over the phone, etc. So Cat expects Kara to be away from her desk a lot.

Obviously not, Chris, since she just went out of her way to hire someone who will likely be at her desk more often than Kara.

What Cat expects is for her assistant to be where she wants her when she wants her regardless of what technology is available. We all know why Kara can't be that kind of assistant, but since the creators pussed out on letting Cat in on the secret, she doesn't, so all she sees is an assistant who isn't around when she needs her.
 
When Jimmy was giving Kara the morality lecture and mentioned that she is supposed to stand for truth and justice, I was expecting him to use Superman as an example to support his case, especially since the episode was called "truth, justice and the american way". That used to be Superman's motto.

Although it was originally just "truth and justice." The "American way" bit was added to the Superman radio series's narration during World War II, when ultra-patriotism was mandatory, and was then dropped once the war ended. It came back when the radio show moved to television at the start of the '50s, probably because the Cold War was making declarations of patriotism culturally mandatory again, and that solidified it from then on.

I was surprised that there was no Superman reference. Jimmy should have said something like "I know your cousin would not approve of your methods. He always stood up for the right thing."

I think he covered that when he reminded Kara of the El family crest she wears and the values it stands for. Superman wears the same crest for the same reasons. Besides, the show established long ago that the last thing Kara wants is to be judged on her cousin's terms instead of her own. So that would've been the wrong way to get through to her. He made the right call by forcing her to confront the issue with regard to her own heroism and values, to show her that she wasn't being true to herself.
 
Wait...Toyman, Live Wire and Bizarro are obscure villains nobody's ever heard of? Are you kidding?

To the average person, they are obscure. Toyman and Bizarro were part of an ensemble on the terrible Challenge of the Super Friends (1978), but even at that time, the bigger, most recognized villains were Luthor and Braniac.


"Unique" is not the same thing as sensible. Sensible would be if Cat suspended Kara without pay until she got her crap together. That way, you achieve the same goal without firing her or resorting to soap opera BS.

That is how it works in reality. Employees are not allowed to screw up and have endless cases of MIA without punishment, but as you say, the soap opera BS is what is at play in the Cat situation, which in turn is the result of the advocates of soap opera / girlie BS from the producers.
 
Employees are not allowed to screw up and have endless cases of MIA without punishment, but as you say, the soap opera BS is what is at play in the Cat situation, which in turn is the result of the advocates of soap opera / girlie BS from the producers.
Every superhero that has a "real job" gets away with all kinds of foolishness, which is why so many are independently wealthy/own their own business/ work for the government/ are funded by a wealthy person.
 
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