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Spoilers Supergirl - Season 1

cylkoth said:
Greg Cox said:
Which might not go over well with with the stars and producers (and sponsors!) of whatever show CBS actually airs at 9 pm Tuesdays. (EDIT: Just looked it up. It's LIMITLESS.)
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Note, Tuesdays, CW's The Flash airs at 8pm EST, opposite NCIS on CBS. Limitless airs in CBS' 10pm EST timeslot. The CW doesn't program the 3rd hour of primetime. ;)
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You're right. I had a brain fart and forgot that THE FLASH is on at eight, not nine. (I blame jet lag and turkey.)

But my basic argument still stands. Encouraging viewers to watch THE FLASH instead of NCIS is not really in CBS's best interests, and is not likely to go over well with the NCIS folks and anybody who bought commercial time on CBS during that time slot.

And given that NCIS is one of CBS's most popular programs, do they really want to stab it in the back to help boost THE FLASH's ratings?

And, in theory, it's not even a matter of letting NCIS take a hit for just one night. Suppose SUPERGIRL viewers decide "Hey, this FLASH show is pretty good. Maybe I should be watching it instead of NCIS every week?"

Granted, there's already a lot of overlap between the FLASH and SUPERGIRL audiences, but you're still asking both networks to essentially encourage viewers to check out the competition . . . .
 
Doesn't CBS own half of CW? I can see the benefit of a little cross-network cross-pollination. Especially in this age of DVRs and streaming content providers.
 
I think you're making a bigger deal out of a proposed crossover than need be. The NCIS producers would care less. CBS is a 50% owner of the junior CW network, and cross network character guest shots have happened in the past without destabilizing the space-tv time continuum. Each network is owned by a conglomerate that owns dozens of cable channels that run programming with competing commercials, and the advertisers don't have problems with that.... Really, if it happens, it's not going to be the gigantic kerfuffle behind the scenes that you're fretting. ;)

The main issue seems entirely one based on turf. The CBS executives pinched their haughty noses at the thought of a show under their jurisdiction, having a crossover with a baby sibling network run by a different set of executives. That's it. There would be no drama if the CBS honcho hadn't scoffed at the notion at the TV Critics Association confab prior to the season's start.
 
Turtletrekker said:
Doesn't CBS own half of CW? I can see the benefit of a little cross-network cross-pollination. Especially in this age of DVRs and streaming content providers.
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The same corporation owns both networks, but they're still distinct networks that are competing for the same viewers and ad dollars. Indeed, I believe they're legally required to be in competition with each other rather than colluding in a monopolistic way. For instance, they can't collude to air a particular show on one network or the other, but have to make competing bids for the show like any other rival networks. No doubt the same applies to competing for advertisers' dollars.


cylkoth said:
...and cross network character guest shots have happened in the past without destabilizing the space-tv time continuum.
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True; it's certainly not impossible. I think Greg is just saying that there would be reasons why the networks might resist a crossover, and that the fact that the two networks share an owner does not negate those considerations.
 
Exactly. In these days of DVRs and such, a cross-channel crossover is probably not the deal-breaker it would have been back in the day. And who knows? It might even happen.

I was just pointing out that, even today, it wouldn't be nearly as easy as the Bones/Sleepy Hollow crossover cited earlier, since that was a much simpler situation in which everyone benefits.

And, honestly, I'm still not sure I would want to be the CBS executive who has to call the NCIS producers and explain that, just this once, we're going to go out of our way to boost your competition's ratings. Or to be the guy who has to explain the same thing to the accounts who bought advertising on NCIS that night . . . .

Those don't sound like fun phone calls.
 
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Greg Cox said:
And, honestly, I'm still not sure I would want to be the CBS executive who has to call the NCIS producers and explain that, just this once, we're going to go out of our way to boost your competition's ratings.
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Well, actually the rumor says that it would be done to boost Supergirl's allegedly troubled ratings. And I gather than NCIS is kind of a ratings juggernaut that probably doesn't have that much to worry about from The Flash.
 
I'm wondering if this is the non-crossover crossover I heard murmurs about, with Benoist playing Powergirl from Jay's (or some other parallel) universe.

Probably not - the sources where I was reading that have almost random reliability. But if so and it takes place entirely in an episode (or even a few episodes) of The Flash, it might resolve some of the cross-network issues being discussed here.
 
Christopher said:
Greg Cox said:
And, honestly, I'm still not sure I would want to be the CBS executive who has to call the NCIS producers and explain that, just this once, we're going to go out of our way to boost your competition's ratings.
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Well, actually the rumor says that it would be done to boost Supergirl's allegedly troubled ratings. And I gather than NCIS is kind of a ratings juggernaut that probably doesn't have that much to worry about from The Flash.
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On the other hand, that fact that NCIS is a ratings juggernaut also means that the CBS execs are going to want to fall over backwards to keep those stars and producers happy . . . even if it's more about politics than hard numbers.

NCIS is a the proverbial three-hundred-pound gorilla. CBS might not want to risk offending it to boost SUPERGIRL
 
I feel like I need to point out that TV By the Numbers still has Supergirl listed as "A Sure Bet to be renewed by May 2016" even in light of the 1.5 series low it hit this week. They're usually accurate and prescient in terms of how they calculate and assess a series' current success level, so I really don't see any reason to start panicking or calling doom and gloom as far as Supergirl's continued success goes.
 
People who make television have no time or interest in watching television.

"Sigh"

Although they all read the trades.
 
DigificWriter said:
I feel like I need to point out that TV By the Numbers still has Supergirl listed as "A Sure Bet to be renewed by May 2016" even in light of the 1.5 series low it hit this week. They're usually accurate and prescient in terms of how they calculate and assess a series' current success level, so I really don't see any reason to start panicking or calling doom and gloom as far as Supergirl's continued success goes.
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And EW just had an article today as well, where they spoke with their industry insiders and seemed pretty confident that the show would be picked up for the rest of the season, despite the fact the numbers aren't as great as they could be.

http://www.ew.com/article/2015/11/27/deathwatch-renewed-canceled
 
CBS has a pretty cozy relationship with the CW.

Ads for Supergirl frequently air on the CW and a commercial for the Flash aired at the end of the pilot episode for Supergirl. If marketing can cross-pollinate the two networks, than a loose crossover between the two shows is entirely possible.

We should also consider that Berlanti is currently a force to be reckoned within the TV world. He's built up a lot of credit in recent years with all of his successful series and, if he wants this crossover to happen, he's the person that can actually make it happen.
 
Regarding Hank Henshaw, it seems as if we might see some kind of reinterpretation of his Pre Cyborg Superman days. He wasn't always a villain so my guess is that the glowing red evil looking eyes are a misdirection.

The meeting with Maxwell Lord and Supergirl was very reminiscent of Luthor and Superman scenes. I am a little surprised that he is being turned into a villain so early since he was also one of the good guys for a long time in the comics.
 
I had an amusing thought last night. We’re so used to scenes where the hero confronts the villain and the villain gives a “Hypothetically, if I were behind this” speech that implicitly confesses to the deed while admitting nothing. So what if they were to subvert that expectation? What if they want us to think that Max’s hypothetical speech to Supergirl was a confession that he was behind the bombings, but it turns out that he really was just speculating, someone else was to blame for the bombs, and Max is actually innocent, just kind of a jerk? I doubt they’ll go there, but it might be a fun subversion.
 
theenglish said:
Regarding Hank Henshaw, it seems as if we might see some kind of reinterpretation of his Pre Cyborg Superman days. He wasn't always a villain so my guess is that the glowing red evil looking eyes are a misdirection.

The meeting with Maxwell Lord and Supergirl was very reminiscent of Luthor and Superman scenes. I am a little surprised that he is being turned into a villain so early since he was also one of the good guys for a long time in the comics.
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This bit always annoyed me.

For the first 12(?) issues of JL(I), Max was being controlled by an Alien Computer. He took the UN hostage with hired terrorist goons to gather heroes for ####s sake. So then after they end the alien computer's influence, and Max is now just a guy (with Purpleman like powers), an ordinary Guy who had little to no participation in everything he'd done under the influence of evil as an evil stooge of Evil, yet some how Lord still keeps his Job as the "leader" (Administrator) of the JL(I) as if every thing he'd don't wasn't someone elses plot towards world domination.

It's like there was a missing page where Batman says "So what if you're not the evil thing that assembled the Justice League International, you're probably relatively similar to the version of you who the evil version of you was pretending to be, so you might as well keep your office".

:brickwall::brickwall::brickwall:
 
Guy Gardener said:
theenglish said:
Regarding Hank Henshaw, it seems as if we might see some kind of reinterpretation of his Pre Cyborg Superman days. He wasn't always a villain so my guess is that the glowing red evil looking eyes are a misdirection.

The meeting with Maxwell Lord and Supergirl was very reminiscent of Luthor and Superman scenes. I am a little surprised that he is being turned into a villain so early since he was also one of the good guys for a long time in the comics.
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This bit always annoyed me.

For the first 12(?) issues of JL(I), Max was being controlled by an Alien Computer. He took the UN hostage with hired terrorist goons to gather heroes for ####s sake. So then after they end the alien computer's influence, and Max is now just a guy (with Purpleman like powers), an ordinary Guy who had little to no participation in everything he'd done under the influence of evil as an evil stooge of Evil, yet some how Lord still keeps his Job as the "leader" (Administrator) of the JL(I) as if every thing he'd don't wasn't someone elses plot towards world domination.

It's like there was a missing page where Batman says "So what if you're not the evil thing that assembled the Justice League International, you're probably relatively similar to the version of you who the evil version of you was pretending to be, so you might as well keep your office".

:brickwall::brickwall::brickwall:
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That's true--I had forgotten about that. So why didn't people think that Max was being controlled in the build up toward Infinite Crisis?
 
How long really was there between Max enbiggening Blue Beetle's ear canal and Wonder Woman mistaking Max's spine for a twist off bottle cap?

I suppose that that could have been addressed in the Brightest Day after he was resurrected, but for some reason I never read that.
 
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