Spoilers Supergirl - Season 1
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Oh, I forgot that one. So Phyllis Coates to Teri Hatcher to Erica Durance. Maybe in ten or fifteen years, Durance will be playing some other Lois's mother. (And Melissa Benoist will be playing some other Supergirl's mother.)
Rumors of the day:
Supergirl and The Flash are crossing over.
John Constantine (as played by Matt Ryan) will be a regular for season 2 of Legends of Tomorrow.
Supergirl and The Flash are crossing over.
John Constantine (as played by Matt Ryan) will be a regular for season 2 of Legends of Tomorrow.
I could see it with the alternate Earths introduced on Flash.
I'm amused that Helen Slater, at this point, has played both Supergirl's biological mother (on SMALLVILLE) and Supergirl's foster mother (on SUPERGIRL).
Well, is Laura old enough to play Melissa's mother?
In relation to Benoist, Vandervoort is in the slightly older sister range. So it will be a different Supergirl who gets Vandervoort as a mom.
I was being silly, although Laura Vandervoort is too skinny to sprout wrinkles, so she should be able to fake youth well into her 60s.
Apart from that shock of white hair, 26 years later, Astra is still a dead ringer for her twin Alura from 26 years ago when Krypton blew up. Which is saying that Astra maybe only just got to Earth, and had been preserved by the Phantom Zone throughout most of Kara's upbrunging (Yes, I see how I spelt that) and not come to Earth 10 years ago with Fort Rozz.
(Laura Benanti, another Laura, who plays Astra and Alura, is 36, only 10ish years older than Melissa.)
Apart from that shock of white hair, 26 years later, Astra is still a dead ringer for her twin Alura from 26 years ago when Krypton blew up. Which is saying that Astra maybe only just got to Earth, and had been preserved by the Phantom Zone throughout most of Kara's upbrunging (Yes, I see how I spelt that) and not come to Earth 10 years ago with Fort Rozz.
(Laura Benanti, another Laura, who plays Astra and Alura, is 36, only 10ish years older than Melissa.)
Those both sound like wish-fulfillment fantasies, so I'll be skeptical of both rumors until we get confirmation.
Actually Slater played Clark's biological mother on Smallville.
I would prefer that over Flash and Arrow. I don't watch Arrow so it makes those crossovers a little hard.
Oops. Got that mixed up.
Maybe Vandervoort can play an evil Kryptonian supergirl from the Phantom Zone?
Would be cool to see, although personally I'll be thrilled if Supergirl just gets picked up for the rest of the season.
Since both Benoist (Supergirl) and Gustin (The Flash) were previously from "Glee", I wonder if we will see more of that group of actors show up on the two shows at some point. I know a lot of people here might groan at the notion, but there are some (more) of them that I wouldn't mind seeing getting a chance to "rehab" their acting reputations.
Come to think of it, what's fishy about that Supergirl/Flash crossover rumor is the assertion that "apparently they believe Supergirl will need the ratings boost a meeting with the Scarlet Speedster would no doubt provide." Are they kidding? The Flash is on a much tinier network than CBS. The latest Supergirl episode got nearly 7.2 million viewers. The latest Flash episode got less than half that number. Sure, in proportion to their respective networks' expectations, The Flash is doing better, but in absolute numbers, fewer Americans are aware of The Flash than Supergirl, so I don't see why a Flash crossover would help Supergirl's ratings.
Although I suppose it might be that they're trying to target the specific young-male demographic that might be more into The Flash than Supergirl. Still, it sounds implausible.
Although I suppose it might be that they're trying to target the specific young-male demographic that might be more into The Flash than Supergirl. Still, it sounds implausible.
The demo number is the primary metric for a show's success or failure, since that is the coveted demographic for advertisers.
Supergirl's latest episode pulled in a 1.5 in the demo; a level almost 50% lower than its premiere five weeks ago and a continuing downward trend for the show overall.
Compare that to the Flash: Every episode this year has earned a 1.5 or a 1.4 in the demo -- a very solid performer. Considering that it airs on (as you pointed out) a "much tinier network," those consistent ratings are even more impressive.
On a network like CBS, Supergirl is in trouble. It still hasn't received an order for any additional episodes beyond the initial 13. I wouldn't call that an ominous sign, but it's not exactly reassuring either.
As for the possibility of a Flash/Supergirl crossover, I think it's likely after the moderate ratings success that the oddball Bones/Sleepy Hollow crossover achieved for Fox last month, with both of those shows getting a boost.
Relevant, as it supports the Variety article.
Well, it remains to be seen if CBS will order more as a last minute show of faith (if the numbers improve), but as you say, the fact they have not ordered more--now some six weeks into the series (nearly half of the order) does not send up fireworks of success.
Flash/Supergirl might help build a DCU on TV with the characters with far more superhero credibility (i.e. colorful, super powered) than say, Arrow.
People keep taking that statistic out of context. What they ignore is that the pilot's ratings were exceptionally high, and that CBS therefore expected a dropoff to more normal levels.
According to this, Supergirl is so far the third-highest rated show on the network in the 18-to-49 demo, seventh in total viewers -- although I grant that the inflated ratings for the pilot may be exaggerating the average. Among all network shows this past Monday, it was pretty much in the middle of the pack. I wouldn't exactly call that grounds for panic.
And the rumor we're discussing specifically states that the putative Flash crossover would be part of the back nine option of Supergirl and would be slated for May, which would be toward the end of a 22-episode season.
Granted, the numbers have been declining, but what with the postponement last week and the holiday this week, the decline might be due to factors beyond the show's control. If it doesn't pick up over the next few weeks, then we'll know there's a problem, but between the expected post-pilot dropoff and the recent disruptions, I think it would be premature to worry too much about the numbers at this point.
I get the sense some people have just pre-emptively adopted a narrative that the show is doomed, either because they expect a female-led superhero show to fail or because they expect CBS to be unsupportive of an overt genre show or something. And I think they're trying to use the numbers to reinforce that narrative, and ignoring the ameliorating factors.
I also read an article recently -- I think it was in the New York Times or Washington Post or something -- about how networks these days are slower to cancel shows, because of the growing importance of delayed ratings and the fact that, what with so much programming on the air and so many slots to keep filled, the various networks don't have many alternatives to fall back on if they do cancel a show. And when a show is cancelled midseason, its replacement tends to get worse ratings. So there's more incentive these days for networks to give shows a solid chance to succeed. The worst they seem willing to do at the moment is to cut down the season order, like they did for Minority Report, and even that is short of an outright cancellation. (FOX is billing next week's conclusion as a "Season Finale" rather than a "Series Finale." A renewal seems unlikely, but they're still hedging.)
I'd love to see a crossover, but the rumors we want to be true are the ones it's most important to be skeptical about, in order to compensate for our biases.
The difference, of course, is that Bones and Sleepy Hollow air on the same channel, so it's a win-win for the CW. Getting CBS to essentially steer viewers toward the CW and vise versa is a much trickier proposition. Think about it: A Supergirl/Flash crossover would essentially amount to CBS telling viewers "Don't watch our own Tuesday night programming. Watch THE FLASH on the CW instead of our own 9 o'clock show."
Which might not go over well with with the stars and producers (and sponsors!) of whatever show CBS actually airs at 9 pm Tuesdays. (EDIT: Just looked it up. It's LIMITLESS.)
"Wait a second. You're using Supergirl to entice viewers to watch another show, on another channel, tonight?"
Sounds like a political and business nightmare to me. I mean, what do you tell the advertisers who bought commercial time on LIMITLESS that night when they find out you're actively encouraging people to switch channels and watch the CW instead?
(Or, again, vise versa.)
Yeah, they're both DC characters, but business is business. Honestly, if I'd bought advertising time on LIMITLESS that night, I'd want my money back . . . .
Well they'd have to have a hand shake deal, about when the cross over episodes would air, so it's up against something that's already dead, or a rerun or an infomerical or the news, or something so different that the audiences couldn't possibly overlap... Sport?
Note, Tuesdays, CW's The Flash airs at 8pm EST, opposite NCIS on CBS. Limitless airs in CBS' 10pm EST timeslot. The CW doesn't program the 3rd hour of primetime.
