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Spoilers Supergirl - Season 1

The Old Mixer said:
And boozing it up at work.
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It looked to me like it was dark outside the windows, so that was probably after work hours.

Mr. Adventure said:
Can't say I feel too sorry for Max and whether he gets his Miranda rights or not.
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But we can't pick and choose whose rights we respect. Rights have to be universal. Just last week, Alex was saying to J'onn that they don't get to choose who they save, that they have a duty to protect even a bigoted fanatic like Senator Crane. Surely the same goes for whose rights they have a duty to honor. It's not about Max as an individual, it's about whether Alex is a hero or a hypocrite. Not to mention how bad it looks for Supergirl to be okay with such a violation of civil liberties.

(But then, this show is from the same producers that had the Flash lock people up in the STAR Labs particle accelerator with no legal authority or due process. So this is a recurring problem for them.)
 
^When the villain knows your secret identity, the gloves come off...take them to a remote mountain cabin and let them fall to their deaths.

And they were still in the office...seems like boozing would be frowned upon regardless of the hour.
 
The Old Mixer said:
^When the villain knows your secret identity, the gloves come off...take them to a remote mountain cabin and let them fall to their deaths.
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That was an accident. They tried to escape despite Superman's instructions, and fell off the cliff. Although, granted, he'd only just left, so you'd think his super-senses would've registered the attempt.
 
Was it an accident? He didn't seem terribly choked up about it in the last scene. But the bottom line was that he put them there in the first place.
 
The Old Mixer said:
Was it an accident? He didn't seem terribly choked up about it in the last scene. But the bottom line was that he put them there in the first place.
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But that's more the result of sloppy writing to restore the status quo than a plausible character-motivated choice. The idea was to let Superman off the hook by having him try to contain them ethically and then having them bring about their own death, but it was clearly contrived and didn't really work. After all, the TV episode was an adaptation of a half-hour radio episode that was a distillation of a much longer radio serial, so the ending was a lot more rushed in that version. I believe the long version had the bad guys only find out that the crook had stolen Superman's costume from a hidden closet in an unspecified apartment in a specific building, after which Superman (with Batman's help) had to foil a variety of plans to find which apartment had the secret closet in it. So I'm not sure they ever actually confirmed that Clark was Superman in that version.
 
Now that we know why Max is at the DEO (as seen in preview pics for The Girl Who Has Everything), I wouldn't put it past him to force Alex and Hank to release him in exchange for his help in saving Kara.
 
They're really going with a black mercy story? After Red Tornado, J'onn & Bizarro all within the space of a few episodes and now they're doing 'For the Girl Who Has Everything' (I'm assuming that's what the title will be), this show is certainly eager to dig into all that comic book lore.

Not sure I like the Bizarro design. I mean I've never been much of a fan of Bizarro in any incarnation (I think only 'Red Son', ever did something interesting with it) but my impression has always been that the Neanderthal looks & simpleton vocabulary was a specific parody of Superman's physique. Doesn't really translate well to Kara.
Might have been better if they did a little less less of the brutish "me Jane, you Tarzan" and went with a concept along the lines of, say a broken marionette doll. Something that actually reflects Kara rather than doing a pastiche on a parody of Clark. After all that talk about getting her out from under his shadow, this sort of feels like a backwards step.

On the other hand maybe I'm just disappointed they went with Bizarro Girl instead of Galatea.
 
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I was mainly disappointed by Max Lord's lab. If it was just a room for Bizzaro I could buy it, but he goes on how he created everything in that room. Well where is it?

He didn't even have a box of scraps in there...
 
Reverend said:
Not sure I like the Bizarro design. I mean I've never been much of a fan of Bizarro in any incarnation (I think only 'Red Son', ever did something interesting with it) but my impression has always been that the Neanderthal looks & simpleton vocabulary was a specific parody of Superman's physique. Doesn't really translate well to Kara.
Might have been better if they did a little less less of the brutish "me Jane, you Tarzan" and went with a concept along the lines of, say a broken marionette doll. Something that actually reflects Kara rather than doing a pastiche on a parody of Clark. After all that talk about getting her out from under his shadow, this sort of feels like a backwards step.
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Yeah I have to admit, as much as I liked the Bizarro makeup they came up with, there was something a lot more eerie and interesting about the character when she was wearing Kara's face in the beginning, and she could be more of a literal mirror to the real Kara. And I thought Benoist did a fantastic job playing that darker and creepier version of the character.

Unfortunately once that mask came off, it basically became just another angry supervillain for Kara to fight. Although I will say the battles between the two were pretty darn impressive for the most part, so much that I found myself rewinding a few times to watch them again (I especially loved that shot of Supergirl flying away as she's being slammed into the ground). It really seems like they've gotten a lot better with the flying stunts recently, which is cool to see.
 
I was pretty surprised to see them get rid of Adam so soon, I figured he'd be around for at least a few more episodes.
The stuff with Bizarro was pretty good. I was kind of surprised they didn't do more with her turning the public against Supergirl. We did get some great action scenes out of it though.
I am glad that the events of this episode brought Winn back into Kara's life, even if he is still pissed.
Cat actually being nice to Kara after she agreed to go out with Adam was fun, but I don't want to think about what she's going to be like now that she broke his heart.
I was to bothered by them taking Lord captive. After everything he did he and how dangerous he is now that he knows who Supergirl is he needed to be stopped quickly, but at the same time they clearly can't go public with everything.
 
Personally I thought they were perfectly justified in taking Lord prisoner. He was a proven threat who was clearly responsible for unleashing a dangerous weapon on the city, and so extreme measures had to be taken. I may normally be a pretty liberal guy, but if you have knowledge that a guy is about to detonate a bomb in the city (no matter how you got it), waiting first to gather the proper evidence and get a court order before stopping him just seems utterly silly.

Although that said, it is a bit odd that the DEO doesn't just work with or enlist the FBI to monitor and gather evidence against Lord. Since it doesn't look like it would take that long to do.
 
JD said:
I was pretty surprised to see them get rid of Adam so soon, I figured he'd be around for at least a few more episodes.
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Was I the only one who did a face-palm when she dumped him? Cause it seemed like he was willing to put up with the peripheral nonsense just to stick with her...

As for the Lord situation, it requires defining the role of the DEO. If it's a law enforcement agency, then those who think Lord got railroaded are right. Max Lord should have been made aware of his rights, should be able to confer with his attorney, be given a clear reading of the charges against him, etc.

If however, the DEO is what it appears to be - an off-books national security operation - then Alex was right: his rights went flying out the window when they grabbed his ass. I'm not saying it's right. It's just the fact of Lord's life right now. The good news is that it gives Lord options for dealing with the situation beyond the strictly legal ones. If he somehow manages to escape and disappear, the DEO couldn't enlist anybody else in a manhunt without first admitting they grabbed him in the first place with zero cause. Or, Max Lord could just go back to his company and Freedom-Of-Information-Act the DEO to death.
 
Well, it was completely understandable why Alex captured Maxwell Lord. He is a threat to them. And it is understandable that she was pissed that he learned Supergirl's true identity. But I think it was a big strategic mistake and it was a tactical mistake to bring him to the DEO. You never let your enemy see your secret lair. And, Lord seems to me to be a very observant fellow. So, I am sure he is keeping mental notes of what he sees, what the DEO's tech is like, what their security is like, etc. Now, he has a better idea of the DEO's capabilities.
 
YellowSubmarine said:
They don't seem to be respecting the rights of the aliens they hold, so I'm not bothered if Maxwell Lord got the same treatment. Seems fitting.
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That's an interesting point. Morally, I suppose there's no difference, although I'd tend to say it's wrong in both cases (or at best a necessary evil) rather than right in both cases. However, legally they're in the clear with aliens, because the law doesn't consider nonhumans to be legal persons entitled to habeas corpus rights. The Law and the Multiverse blog has covered that subject on occasion. According to this post, US law specifically defines a person as a "member of the species homo sapiens." There's also this post pertaining to an instance of the question being raised in real life pertaining to chimpanzees. As stated there:
So what does this mean for Kryptonians, Skrulls, intelligent robots, and all the rest? So far it means a continuation of the status quo. Depending on how the cases turn out, it likely means that each species (and possibly even each individual) would have to have its legal personhood established on a case by case basis. Just as the NhRP’s cases only focus on chimpanzees and explicitly do not seek personhood for bonobos, gorillas, and other apes (much less dolphins, African Grey parrots, or other notably intelligent animals), if the Vision sued to be recognized as a legal person that wouldn’t necessarily mean anything for the Skrulls or even, say, Ultron.
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Now, it's possible that case law defining Superman as a legal person was established at some point in the show's past, in which case that protection should extend to Kara, Astra, Non, and the other Kryptonians (although General Lane didn't seem to think Astra was entitled to legal protection, but he's hardly reliable on that point). But where other alien species are concerned, the law would default to defining them as non-persons unless new case law established otherwise. Which I don't consider moral; too much oppression and brutality in history has resulted from people defaulting to defining other races as non-persons. Eventually, in a society that had regular interaction with aliens, the laws would have to evolve to default to the presumption of personhood rather than requiring each species to earn rights individually. But current US law is nowhere near that stage, and I doubt it's that much different on Earth-S (to coin a label).
 
Christopher said:
legally they're in the clear with aliens, because the law doesn't consider nonhumans to be legal persons entitled to habeas corpus rights.
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And some of those same (if not all) alien prisoners have escaped from Fort Roz after being tried, convicted and sentenced. The DEO has simply returned them to custody.
 
I thought Bizarro stopped resisting too soon. I wish they would have had her say some line like, "What good? What bad? Bizarro not know."
 
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