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Spoilers Supergirl - Season 1

If the character is made for you to hate them, they either need to be a villain, or go through some kind of development and become likeable. .

I don't know That seems an overly black-and-white attitude to me. People aren't just heroes or villains. Life is messier and more complicated than that. And characters don't have to be nice or "likable" to make good television.

To my mind, it doesn't matter if Cat is a nice person or not, just as long as she's colorful and entertaining and gets off plenty of good zingers.. (And, yes, I do think a show like SUPERGIRL needs a character like Cat to add a bit of snark to the proceedings, just to keep things from getting too earnest.)

"Likable" is overrated. "Interesting" is more important.
 
Kara's promotion at the end of the episode seemed a bit odd to me. I know Cat is the owner/CEO so she can basically do what she wants but still, shouldn't she have at least some idea of what she wants Kara to do in her new job? It seemed like an odd promotion to get an office but no pay raise and no job description.
 
I don't know That seems an overly black-and-white attitude to me. People aren't just heroes or villains. Life is messier and more complicated than that. And characters don't have to be nice or "likable" to make good television.

To my mind, it doesn't matter if Cat is a nice person or not, just as long as she's colorful and entertaining and gets off plenty of good zingers.. (And, yes, I do think a show like SUPERGIRL needs a character like Cat to add a bit of snark to the proceedings, just to keep things from getting too earnest.)

"Likable" is overrated. "Interesting" is more important.
I LOVE Cat. I loved how she made reference to Harrison Ford (who as some of you might know she is married to in real life) and said he approached her but she wants nothing to do with a married man.
She represents a strong woman who doesn't take and guff from anyone
 
Letting Kara decide what she wants to be is just part of letting her learn to fly (pun intended).
It would give Cat a good idea of Kara's independence and capabilities.

And it allows Kara to be more flexible with her other day job.

One thing no one has mentioned: how the hell were they able to transmit an old analog TV signal to all those new digital smart TVs?

The signal must have been digital to do that and wasn't the point that they used analog to work around Indigos control over the Internet or something?
 
Kara's promotion at the end of the episode seemed a bit odd to me. I know Cat is the owner/CEO so she can basically do what she wants but still, shouldn't she have at least some idea of what she wants Kara to do in her new job? It seemed like an odd promotion to get an office but no pay raise and no job description.

My guess? Despite what J'onn did to confuse the matter, Cat is still quite aware of who Kara is and a promotion (with a private office!) without any duties gives Kara a plausible reason for her to jet off and be Supergirl during working hours.
 
Have you actually timed Cat's screen time in one of the episodes? I have not noticed her really getting that much more screen time than the rest of the supporting cast, and definitely not more than Kara. I'm not being sarcastic , I'm looking for real solid numbers here. If we hadn't gotten the season finale I would do it myself. I know the episodes are online, but I really don't have time to go back through an episode I already watched.

To be fair, it might be better to say it felt like she got more screen time then anyone else. She's definitely the main character a lot of the time when it comes to how much of the stuff is a reaction to her or her actions, but I don't know how much actual time is on screen. I just know that its the worst stuff on TV when she is on screen, and it feels like she's in 90% of every episode.

I don't know That seems an overly black-and-white attitude to me. People aren't just heroes or villains. Life is messier and more complicated than that. And characters don't have to be nice or "likable" to make good television.

To my mind, it doesn't matter if Cat is a nice person or not, just as long as she's colorful and entertaining and gets off plenty of good zingers.. (And, yes, I do think a show like SUPERGIRL needs a character like Cat to add a bit of snark to the proceedings, just to keep things from getting too earnest.)

"Likable" is overrated. "Interesting" is more important.

Eh, she's not interesting to me. Just the generic bad rich person who will never get what they deserve, and suffer no consequences for being a horrible human being. Basically, she's Lex Luthor, except she's irritaiting and wants to make money off a kryptonian, not kill them. To compare her to a show that is all about characters like her (atleast attitude wise), I LOATHE Game of Thrones. Not just because its basically Rape: The TV/book Series, but because every single character is horrible. I don't like evil a-holes on TV if they aren't outright villains. Its unpleasant and not entertaining. Give me a vicious villain, not some lukewarm jerk. Or an anti-hero that is at least entertaining to watch.

Cat is a cliche that is actually more annoying then the other cliche Berlanti loves, the "Government agent/police detective who will be against the hero, but thinks they are in the right and/or hates the hero/vigilantes". At least I understand why they use that kind of character, and they have legitimate reasons to be involved with the plot. Cat is annoying, her personal drama takes time away from character development for Kara and her friends/allies, and she's just a terrible character. cut her out of Supergirl, and nothing would be lost.
 
My guess? Despite what J'onn did to confuse the matter, Cat is still quite aware of who Kara is and a promotion (with a private office!) without any duties gives Kara a plausible reason for her to jet off and be Supergirl during working hours.

When Cat walked in with the box, I was half expecting her to tell Kara that she knows she is Supergirl and per her previous ultimatum, she is fired. Kara's goodbye speech to Cat was rather clumsy because it was much more something Supergirl would tell Cat than what Kara Danvers would tell Cat. Kara was basically thanking Cat for things that only Supergirl would thank her for. So your idea makes sense. If Cat is actually pretending not to know Kara's true identity then this promotion would be a good way to enable her to carry on her Supergirl responsibilities.
 
To be fair, it might be better to say it felt like she got more screen time then anyone else. She's definitely the main character a lot of the time when it comes to how much of the stuff is a reaction to her or her actions, but I don't know how much actual time is on screen. I just know that its the worst stuff on TV when she is on screen, and it feels like she's in 90% of every episode.



Eh, she's not interesting to me. Just the generic bad rich person who will never get what they deserve, and suffer no consequences for being a horrible human being. Basically, she's Lex Luthor, except she's irritaiting and wants to make money off a kryptonian, not kill them. To compare her to a show that is all about characters like her (atleast attitude wise), I LOATHE Game of Thrones. Not just because its basically Rape: The TV/book Series, but because every single character is horrible. I don't like evil a-holes on TV if they aren't outright villains. Its unpleasant and not entertaining. Give me a vicious villain, not some lukewarm jerk. Or an anti-hero that is at least entertaining to watch.

Cat is a cliche that is actually more annoying then the other cliche Berlanti loves, the "Government agent/police detective who will be against the hero, but thinks they are in the right and/or hates the hero/vigilantes". At least I understand why they use that kind of character, and they have legitimate reasons to be involved with the plot. Cat is annoying, her personal drama takes time away from character development for Kara and her friends/allies, and she's just a terrible character. cut her out of Supergirl, and nothing would be lost.

Cat definitely started out as a cliche, but she developed and became a lot more complex and interesting as the season went on. And it should be pretty clear by this point that her bitchy attitude is really more for show than anything, and that underneath she's actually very fond of Kara and Supergirl.

Not really sure how you could miss that, personally.
 
Cut Cat out of SUPERGIRL and all you'd have is Kara and her friends being heartfelt and earnest and supportive of each other, which could get awful sappy pretty fast without Cat to add a bit of edge and sarcasm and withering put-downs. Plus, as noted, Cat gets all the killer lines: like the time she dismissed James and Kara and Barry as looking like the "attractive, unthreatening cast of a CW series."

SUPERGIRL would a lot blander without her.
 
I've said it before, but I see Cat as a modernization of Perry White -- the boss who's mean and insulting and scary on the surface, but who's really the moral center of the group in a lot of ways and is just being tough on the employees in the belief that it will strengthen them and sharpen their edge. I don't think that's a management style that would really cut it in the real world (the one mean boss I've worked for was a genuine sadist who harrassed and demeaned his female employees incessantly), but as a fictional trope, it works well here.
 
Cut Cat out of SUPERGIRL and all you'd have is Kara and her friends being heartfelt and earnest and supportive of each other, which could get awful sappy pretty fast without Cat to add a bit of edge and sarcasm and withering put-downs. Plus, as noted, Cat gets all the killer lines: like the time she dismissed James and Kara and Barry as looking like the "attractive, unthreatening cast of a CW series."

SUPERGIRL would a lot blander without her.
I agree! it would be boring without Cat
 
I cannot recommend reruns of Glee, if you're really hard up for more Melissa.

The world thanks you, since no one concerned with the preservation of viewer psychological health would ever recommend even a second of Glee.

Freeze breath could've been worth trying, but given that jump, it seemed that armor was powered, so it might not have helped. Her speed would not have held up well enough for your tactic to work at all, given that she would be forced to touch the Kryptonite laced armor directly the entire time she was trying to remove it.

She's fast enough to pull a Flash--create a vortex around Alex to completely disorient her, then attack.

My main question there was: why fight Alex at all? Everything was set up to claim that her only choice was to kill Alex or let Alex kill her, but Supergirl could just as easily remove herself from the situation and give herself time to come up with a plan/put into motion her existing plan. Yes, Non could counter that by threatening to make Alex kill herself, and I'm sure that's exactly where the writers would've gone in such a situation, but it seemed really strange that the idea never even occurred to her. Especially strange that, while repeatedly stating she refused to fight, she still jumped straight into attack mode several times.

Of course, the false dilemma of not wanting to fight dear sister Alex was Bad Screenwriting 101 from the start.

Not to mention the fact that this was so quickly and easily defused that the situation wasn't even worth the setup time. It was basically only there to give them a cliffhanger for the previous episode.

This series rarely follows through on set-ups; usually, things are just tossed out there, and even if a plot is revisited, all the audience gets some piss-poor conclusion--the ridiculous "hope" speech breaking mind control.

Unfortunately true. After a whole season of setup, both Non and Astra were cut down way too easily, and Non's death didn't even really matter much. In the end, the actual villain here was Indigo, who's been a terrible character from the moment she appeared.

You're right--Indigo was a terrible character, and like most of this series' villains--catty, instead of threatening.

Overall I thought it was a decent episode - like most, my reaction was a little mixed, but for this was it was more positive than negative. As a season finale, though, it was way too low-key, slow and quiet. Sure, the personal drama was fine, but it almost felt like that was all there was. Which is weird, because that final fight scene is the first fight scene in the entire history of the show that I really enjoyed, but it was just over way too quickly.

The fight scenes are poor in execution, and the FX generally bad. At no time in the Non fight (or the Banshee fight, or...) did the characters appear like they were engaged in a real struggle--obviously one of the keys to the success of a fight scene. Compare that to ONE--just one scene of Loki & Captain America's fight in The Avengers. Oh, and before someone claims The Avengers scene benefited from a larger budget, the scene in question was no FX-heavy set-up--it was effective stunt work and editing, yet that one fight scene leaves all Supergirl fights in the dust in terms of execution and impression left with on the viewer.

What's the excuse? The Supergirl production has a large, dedicated FX group--its not some sitcom that farms out work for the rare special scene (e.g. Scrubs), yet the FX and the fight stuntwork is sub par.

As was Non himself, whose character ultimately didn't really go anywhere. And Indigo dying from being torn apart - while visually cool - really didn't make sense.

The actor was okay in the penultimate episode, but overall, the problem is that he seems to have been an afterthought, as the entire Kryptonian villain plot was all about Bad Aunt. Non never mattered, and that appeared to be a conscious decision on part of the producers, thus his being the Big Bad of the season finale fell flat.


Overall, I'm not sure whether I'll be back for a potential season 2 or not. I can't really say that the show's improved much at all over the course of this season. But then again, it has at least proven it's willingness to do something unexpected every now and again, and I have grown somewhat fond of Kara, Alex and Jonn as characters. That was also a pretty great cliffhanger in terms of making me want to know what's inside the pod.

But its just a cliffhanger, which is not the means one uses to rate a series. If you're having doubts about returning to a potential second season, that means the bulk of this production--its arc, character development, etc. were never sufficient.

I am still irked by how Superman was treated in these 2 episodes. I don't feel like he was given the respect that his character deserves.

They did not just sideline Superman, they deliberately made him look completely powerless and useless. That's what irks me the most.

That is a widespread complaint about the entire series. Of course, the answer is that he's SuperMAN, so in order to make 'ol Girl Power Supergirl seem like the greatest superhero of all time, Superman has to be constantly torn down, when the character should be able to develop based on her own merit. This almost reads like Berlanti, et al., knew Supergirl was weak from the start, but the agenda had to make sure the unavoidable character (Superman) had to be reduced to an ineffectual footnote so Supergirl could fulfill all in that agenda.

To your legitimate complaint, think of the Marvel movies, Thor did not need to be rendered weak, unimportant, etc., for Iron Man, Captain America or the Hulk to shine and grow as characters. Then again, that did not happen because there was no social agenda fueling the adaptation of those Marvel characters.

Quite possibly the various "good-bye" scenes in this episode. They were more emotionally manipulative than a Steven Moffat script,and stopped the plot dead in its tracks.

...and that's bad. Whether Moffat (or Russel Davies) immature, soap opera slop.

There was maybe twenty minutes of plot in the episode, stretched out with the emotional stuff, and when Kara was talking to Alex about all the things Alex needed to tell Jeremiah I was actively annoyed with the episode

But that one of the overplayed plots of the series--the "sisterhood" business. Yeah, we get it..its all about the sisters...at the expense of coherent actions on part of the series lead character, and a believable story.

for a threat that was imminently going to kill everyone, Kara was bewilderingly non-chalant about it.

Fault of the actress in conveying a grim situation. Fault of a poor story that should have placed a greater sense of danger in her mind...not walking around on her "gang, I think you might die soon / my ass might be in trouble" tour.

She still didn't need to combat Alex directly. She could have barricaded the entrances to the facility with obstacles only someone as strong as her could move - which would save it from Alex - and force Non and the other kryptos out of hiding - which would force Non to send Alex away from the fight entirely. She's so busy emoting she hasn't learned how to use her brain in combat yet.

Remember--its all about how grand the "sisterhood" business is. Never expect Supergirl to use her brain when she's mere seconds away from some sort of whiner or teary-eyed session.

Overthinking. If she has all of Superman's abilities, and we've seen Superman maneuver in space with no problem, then supergirl can fly in space. That last line was just BS thrown in to give Kara a sacrifice moment and Alex a savior moment.

Yes, the producers just copy+pasted the relevant scene from Superman Returns and The Avengers (Iron Man) for Supergirl. About Alex, yes, the producers could not get out of the season leaving Alex exactly where she--a normal human--should be: on the sidelines, as she's out of her league in all superpowered matters, and should not be an expert on piloting an alien pod. Once again, agenda flushes believable story.
 
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Man, I found that finale hard to watch.

The only parts I liked included J'onn ripping Indigo in half, which seemed a really weird way of taking her out on a logical level given that she was basically a living program. And... that was kind of it, actually.

Parts I found really dumb was how Kara defeated Non. Why would a Kryptonian's heat vision have any effect whatsoever on another Kryptonian like that, let alone blind and kill(?) them? If that's all it took, any two Kryptonians wanting to eliminate another one would have no trouble at all in doing so.

And what was with Kara not being able to "super hold her breath" in space? And the nonsense about not being able to fly? Especially after learning that Clark was off-world himself? I mean, we even saw Supes flying in space just fine in Man of Steel. That was almost as awful as Alex being an expert pilot of Kara's escape pod; not only could she fly it like a pro, but she was able to track, find, and catch Kara with no problem. Oy.

Oh well, at least next season seems to be setting up a Powergirl storyline, as when Kara ripped open the new pod that was the first thing that jumped out at me. Probably has something to do with whatever weirdness ended up with her own pod getting wrapped up with Fort Rozz, causing an alternate version to occur. Or maybe even Barry's jumping through time caused something else weird to happen.

But so help me if there's a horse in there.
 
I enjoy Supergirl but it's a poorly-written show marred by lots of inconsistencies in what they're trying to accomplish. Gotham is the same way, only more meandering, and to me Gotham feels like a chore to watch.
 
Cat definitely started out as a cliche, but she developed and became a lot more complex and interesting as the season went on. And it should be pretty clear by this point that her bitchy attitude is really more for show than anything, and that underneath she's actually very fond of Kara and Supergirl.

Not really sure how you could miss that, personally.

Well, maybe because its something you think happened, but I don't? Also, I stopped watching before the horrible Bizarra episode. A "hero gets blamed for stuff the didn't do, and it was actually their evil clone" story? Screw that. Its almost as bad as "Superhero does bad things under mind control/red kryptonite, and has to redeem themselves" story, which Supergirl also did. At least Superman: The Animated Series made Bizarro interesting, and didn't waste time having a normal Superman looking version of Bizarro do evil things to ruin Superman's reputation.

Also, Cat Grant had literally made at least 20 minutes an episode completely unwatchable, so I was sick and tired of her and couldn't stand watching the show anymore. I came back to watch the crossover with The Flash (which was awesome, except for Cat Grant's horrible scenes), but I obviously didn't keep watching after that. For me, Supergirl is the show I want to like, most of the cast is at least interesting and Supergirl herself is usually great, but its completely unwatchable because of Cat Grant.

Cut Cat out of SUPERGIRL and all you'd have is Kara and her friends being heartfelt and earnest and supportive of each other, which could get awful sappy pretty fast without Cat to add a bit of edge and sarcasm and withering put-downs. Plus, as noted, Cat gets all the killer lines: like the time she dismissed James and Kara and Barry as looking like the "attractive, unthreatening cast of a CW series."

SUPERGIRL would a lot blander without her.

Like how Flash is bland and sappy without a gigantic a-hole :vulcan:? Flash is the greatest show on television in my opinion (certainly the greatest superhero show, at least), and it doesn't have a Cat Grant. Wells doesn't count, because even though he can be snarky and rude he's also sympathetic, interesting and a decent guy who contributes things even when he does something wrong. The Flash manages to still be awesome, despite having a main cast that are all entertaining and usually likeable. Also, that Cat grant line was horrible, considering how much better The Flash's CW cast is then CBS's horrible Supergirl cast.
 
Superman has been flying in space under his own power since the '40s radio show.
I was wondering about that, but then I stopped and thought, who on this board could possibly be expected to know something like that...?

Anyone else think that Non or Kara were going to burn out their powers from over doing the heat vision?
I was reminded very much of the Atomic Vision battle between the Hyperions in the '80s Squadron Supreme limited series, which ended with the bad one killed and the good one blinded.

My guess? Despite what J'onn did to confuse the matter, Cat is still quite aware of who Kara is and a promotion (with a private office!) without any duties gives Kara a plausible reason for her to jet off and be Supergirl during working hours.
Yeah...I very much got the impression that Kara was getting a promotion for saving the world.
 
That is a widespread complaint about the entire series. Of course, the answer is that he's SuperMAN, so in order to make 'ol Girl Power Supergirl seem like the greatest superhero of all time, Superman has to be constantly torn down, when the character should be able to develop based on her own merit. This almost reads like Berlanti, et al., knew Supergirl was weak from the start, but the agenda had to make sure the unavoidable character (Superman) had to be reduced to an ineffectual footnote so Supergirl could fulfill all in that agenda.

I would also note too that Supergirl did not seem to even notice Superman in the medlab. We get a couple scenes where Supergirl is in the lab talking to Jon Jonz and we can see Superman's boots right next to her and yet Supergirl does not even seem to notice. That's her cousin that she was sent to Earth to protect and that she claims to care about and she does not ask anyone how he is doing or anything. They could have had a short scene where she looks down and says "Get well cousin". But no, nothin'.
 
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