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Spoilers Supergirl - Season 1

The show is hardly perfect, but I really enjoy it -a lot more than I thought I would- and look forward to the finale and next season. (Which will happen, the show's ratings are on par with, or higher than, other CBS shows already renewed.) The show has some fun to it, Benoist is a delight to watch and the show is getting the "Super-Family" right, and is the best use of Superman since, well, Christopher Reeves. And, Martian Manhunter!

Feminist agenda? Pfffft. Whatever. If it's there, let it be there. I, for one, welcome our new, female, overlords.
 
Wow, what boards are these? I've been reading lots of comments on different sites over the season (after episode recaps or ratings reports or on ew or comingsoon or twitter or supergirltv, etc), and while there may be quite a few who hate the show in general, I don't think I've seen any hate directed at Superman himself.

Especially from Supergirl fans who seem to be a lot more positive and upbeat than most.

Start with IMDB.
 
The show is hardly perfect, but I really enjoy it -a lot more than I thought I would- and look forward to the finale and next season. (Which will happen, the show's ratings are on par with, or higher than, other CBS shows already renewed.)

I hope you're right, but it's not just about ratings, it's about ratings vs. budget. A more expensive show needs higher ratings to offset its cost. And Supergirl's elaborate visual effects and action can't be cheap.
 
I hope it survives...it's pretty lightweight thus far, but it's likable and has potential, so I'd like to see it have the chance to grow into a stronger show.

That, plus we haven't gotten the Legion yet....
 
I also hope it survives. I enjoyed the last episode. I was so hoping Non would add Gotham to the list of cities he was rattling off.
 
As much as I enjoy the show's light and fun style, I get the impression it would probably draw more viewers if it cut back on the romance and jokeyness a bit and were a bit more serious and dramatic in tone (and I have to admit I'd kinda like to see that as well).

I'm not sure if they'll go that far in a second season, but I'll be surprised if they don't make some kind of adjustment to try to draw in a bigger audience.
 
Maybe it could try the fun of Flash, which has relationship drama too but usually doesn't go overboard with it. Honestly, if they just took out one character (guess who), and changed up Kara's civilian life a bit, they'd almost be there.
 
or at the end of the day they're simply scared that people won't want to go a pay $X at the cinema to watch a move with a given character if they can watch for free at home.

That's a possibility, except recent history has shown the bean counters otherwise when it comes to fairy tales. We have the popular OuaT on TV and soon after its debut we've seen Snow White and the Huntsman then Malificent and now the prequel to Snow White and that hunky Huntsman "come to a theater near you". If there wasn't money to be had, I doubt TPTB would keep going back to that particular well.

Getting back to Supergirl, I love the show and hope CBS renews it, if only to keep the sisters Danvers on my screen. I need that kind of girl power since Fox has seemingly robbed me of the Mills sisters.
 
Maybe it could try the fun of Flash, which has relationship drama too but usually doesn't go overboard with it. Honestly, if they just took out one character (guess who), and changed up Kara's civilian life a bit, they'd almost be there.

If they took out Cat the show would lose some personality I think. I love the Cat/Kara relationship. Now if they took out James I would be fine with it.
 
We've talked plenty about Kara. Superman is an occasional side issue. Again, I object strongly to the implication that the only way a female character can get attention is if a male character is removed from the picture entirely. You should have more faith in Kara's ability to compete on a level playing field.
I never meant to imply this had anything to do with her being a girl, I'd be saying the exact same things if we were watching a Nightwing show, and people wouldn't stop asking when Batman was going to show.
You keep acting like I'm the one who feels this way, but I don't. I'm talking about the way it seems to me other people are feeling, and how to stop it. I do mistype a lot so I might have screwed up what I was trying to say, and if so I apologize for the misunderstanding.
I love the show, and I personally like the way they have been handeling Superman. I actually think having him co-exist in this world with Kara makes things a lot more interesting than if she was the only member of the Super family around.
 
So is supergirl getting renewed?! I so hope so. I only watched a few episodes on the cbs app. Even though im a lil lost with whats going on its pretty fun. It do have to raise the drama/dark tones just a tab. But not too much though from what ive seen.

Maybe this is the new lois and clark of tv? Anyone remember how good that show was back in the day? And how it changed from season 1 to season 2?
 
I'm pretty sure the only reason we haven't heard the renewal announcement yet is because CBS wanna make an en masse announcement for their freshman shows like they did for the returning ones.
 
I never meant to imply this had anything to do with her being a girl, I'd be saying the exact same things if we were watching a Nightwing show, and people wouldn't stop asking when Batman was going to show.

That's the thing about biases, though -- if we all realized we had them, they wouldn't be remotely as insidious. Even if you aren't influenced by a bias, you can still fail to realize that you're unintentionally reinforcing a bias of the society around you.

The character's gender may not matter to you, but it does matter to a lot of people, and that's the issue here. Getting rid of Superman to allow Supergirl to take the stage would reinforce sexist prejudices in a way that getting rid of Batman to allow Nightwing to take the stage would not. There are still pervasive imbalances in society that stack the deck against women, and acting as though the playing field is already level just defends the status quo and perpetuates the imbalance. The only real way to be fair in such an imbalanced context is to actively resist the systemic unfairness, to push back against those prejudices rather than pretending they aren't an issue. I've learned this myself over the years. I always tried to live according to the Star Trek principles I was raised with and pretend that racial and gender distinctions between people were a non-issue, but I've realized that by doing so, I've been ignoring the fact that they still are a huge issue for many people and living in denial doesn't do anything to change that. None of us can pretend they aren't an issue until everyone accepts that they aren't an issue, and we're sadly a long way from achieving that.


You keep acting like I'm the one who feels this way, but I don't. I'm talking about the way it seems to me other people are feeling, and how to stop it.

And what I'm saying is that you can't stop fans from having opinions, and you can't worry about them too much. I've seen instances of shows that overreacted to viewer complaints and ruined themselves by doing so, like Gene Roddenberry's Andromeda. It was constantly overcorrecting and changing its whole approach in response to criticisms of its former approach, and so it ended up directionless and devoid of identity, because it was just reactive rather than creative. (Hey, those are anagrams!) Oh no, five people on the Internet are saying it's too episodic! Pile on the story arcs! Oh no, six other people are saying the story arcs are too hard to follow! Fire the showrunner and expunge all continuing story threads! It's a lousy way to run a railroad.

As a rule, the complainers are always going to be more vocal than the supporters. People who already like things the way they are don't have as much incentive to take action, so they stay more quiet on the whole than the people who are unhappy and want a change. So the complainers always seem like a larger group than they actually are. Which is just one of the reasons that it's unwise to overreact to their complaints and resist the urge to write defensively.


Maybe this is the new lois and clark of tv? Anyone remember how good that show was back in the day? And how it changed from season 1 to season 2?

Lois & Clark changed showrunners twice -- from Deborah Joy LeVine in season 1 to Robert Singer in season 2 to Eugenie Ross-Leming & Brad Buckner in seasons 3-4. I felt season 2 actually worked fairly well at first, with a better balance of superhero adventure and character drama/comedy than season 1, but on my recent revisit, I found that it got worse as it went on, becoming too goofy and silly. As for seasons 3-4, they were terrible. I don't think Ross-Leming and Buckner had any respect for the material, and it became pretty schlocky and dumb. I didn't even bother to rewatch them.
 
That's the thing about biases, though -- if we all realized we had them, they wouldn't be remotely as insidious. Even if you aren't influenced by a bias, you can still fail to realize that you're unintentionally reinforcing a bias of the society around you.

The character's gender may not matter to you, but it does matter to a lot of people, and that's the issue here. Getting rid of Superman to allow Supergirl to take the stage would reinforce sexist prejudices in a way that getting rid of Batman to allow Nightwing to take the stage would not. There are still pervasive imbalances in society that stack the deck against women, and acting as though the playing field is already level just defends the status quo and perpetuates the imbalance. The only real way to be fair in such an imbalanced context is to actively resist the systemic unfairness, to push back against those prejudices rather than pretending they aren't an issue. I've learned this myself over the years. I always tried to live according to the Star Trek principles I was raised with and pretend that racial and gender distinctions between people were a non-issue, but I've realized that by doing so, I've been ignoring the fact that they still are a huge issue for many people and living in denial doesn't do anything to change that. None of us can pretend they aren't an issue until everyone accepts that they aren't an issue, and we're sadly a long way from achieving that.
I didn't really think about it that way, but I guess it makes sense.
And what I'm saying is that you can't stop fans from having opinions, and you can't worry about them too much. I've seen instances of shows that overreacted to viewer complaints and ruined themselves by doing so, like Gene Roddenberry's Andromeda. It was constantly overcorrecting and changing its whole approach in response to criticisms of its former approach, and so it ended up directionless and devoid of identity, because it was just reactive rather than creative. (Hey, those are anagrams!) Oh no, five people on the Internet are saying it's too episodic! Pile on the story arcs! Oh no, six other people are saying the story arcs are too hard to follow! Fire the showrunner and expunge all continuing story threads! It's a lousy way to run a railroad.

As a rule, the complainers are always going to be more vocal than the supporters. People who already like things the way they are don't have as much incentive to take action, so they stay more quiet on the whole than the people who are unhappy and want a change. So the complainers always seem like a larger group than they actually are. Which is just one of the reasons that it's unwise to overreact to their complaints and resist the urge to write defensively.
Yeah, you're right, and even if he was gone or dead from the beginning, people would probably still be wanting to know when he was going to be resurrected or come back. No matter what people would finding something to complain about, so they might as well do what they want and not try to make everyone happy.[/QUOTE]
 
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