Spoilers Supergirl - Season 1

[JD]

Maybe it was because Vandervoort, but the whole time I kept thinking of this, which was, IMO, Smallville's one actual "Superman" moment:

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I kind of hate to admit this since I love Supergirl, but I actually like that Smallville scene better than what we got on Sg.

 

[dahj]

Maybe you enjoy shitty writing, but not everyone does.

Basically the same thing happens in Superman, yet nobody complains of "shitty writing" there...

It does indeed seem that your negative bias towards this show makes you unreasonably critical of a simple action sequence in an action adventure show.

 

[Arrrrgggh]

Basically the same thing happens in Superman, yet nobody complains of "shitty writing" there..

Yeah, no one has ever complained about a single Superman movie. Ever. XD

So seriously, is that your counter? "Well, another show had just as bad of writing (though at least there it's partially explained by his kryptonite poisoning a few moments prior, but dodge'll ignore that little tidbit). Ergo, it's perfectly fine and acceptable in this one!"

 

[dahj]

So seriously, is that your counter?

Yes.

Ergo, it's perfectly fine and acceptable in this one!"

Why are you so angry that I (and others) don't have a problem with it?

 

[TREK_GOD_1]

It's not just the fact that she seemed slow. The entire scene was nonsensical. First the fact that only one missile was launched.

Well observed; in Superman the Movie, Luthor launched the missiles simultaneously. If one desired mass destruction, why launch one at a time?

Then she tries to *deflect* the missile in a random direction and just let it fly. A *nuclear* missile. Because to hell with anyone who doesn't live in National City.

Moreover, Supergirl is not some random bird bouncing off of the missile--she's using super power to alter its course, so it could hit any structure, or any population.

Then the fact that she was clearly fast enough to catch up to the missile in the air, but for no reason whatsoever wastes time climbing up the side of it instead of just landing at the front. Then she has trouble opening a tiny little panel even though we've seen her rip huge chunks of metal with no effort.

Another indisputable point.

Then she falls off the damn missile and repeats the whole thing over again because the writers apparently couldn't think of any better way to try to build tension than to show Supergirl struggling to lift her own weight climbing the side of a missile. That was probably the most annoying part, because it did absolutely nothing to add any real tension. Everyone knew she was going to reach the panel in time - this is Supergirl - and the visual of her straining to climb was both boring as hell and interminably long, especially the second time.

Agreed.

Then, after all this effort, she 'ends' the threat by punching in a code. Because that's exciting. And then she drops a nuclear missile right in the middle of National City. Because once it's disarmed, it's perfectly ok to just let a nuclear warhead fall to the ground from a good 50 -100 feet in the air.

...and don't worry about the instant reaction / interference from citizen in the area--who would be swarm the area out of curiosity long before the military arrived.

It was shitty writing, all the way through. There were about a million different ways that it could've been done better, most importantly starting with the fact that if they had just made the threat actually hold up to the apocalyptic claims Indigo made, they could've presented Supergirl with a real challenge that didn't rely on her being a complete moron in order to make the problem feel urgent.

All so true.

 

[TREK_GOD_1]

Yeah, no one has ever complained about a single Superman movie. Ever. XD

So seriously, is that your counter? "Well, another show had just as bad of writing (though at least there it's partially explained by his kryptonite poisoning a few moments prior, but dodge'll ignore that little tidbit). Ergo, it's perfectly fine and acceptable in this one!"

Well, some have to ignore what Superman experienced in an attempt to "level the field"--the only way to defend poor writing in the Supergirl scene in question.

 

[Arrrrgggh]

Why are you so angry that I (and others) don't have a problem with it?

I'm not even remotely angry. Though it's pretty funny how so many people assume that when people disagree with them, especially when they're being, well, utterly irrational and fanboyishly defensive. God forbid someone have a criticism.

 

[dahj]

^^
You and the bloke above you do seem to go out of your way to watch every episode of a show you obviously don't like or have issues with to prove to us "irrational fanboys" how we're wrong.

That's a bit weird thing to do, innit?

 

[matthunter]

You are incorrect. For example, Spider-Man's maximum strength was once said to be at a level where her could lift or press 10 tons. Since that mid 1980's description, how often has he ever lifted anything of greater weight?

Well, even the lightest tank is over 20 tons: http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11/113887/3062007-2948428549-30088.jpg

Train cars are 20-40 tons depending on type and payload: http://pm1.narvii.com/5822/aeb22e409dba6058a8d1958fb9da9a4e3d5cd38a_hq.jpg

This object might be about 10 tons I guess, but he flips it over with a single finger! http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11/118094/2863484-feat16strengthqv1.jpg

And, I'm just guessing here, but unless all that hot air J. Jonah Jameson is full of is helping him out, he's lifting the entire fucking Daily Bugle building here: http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/5/52246/1465402-spidey_277.jpg

Found with a couple of minutes Googling so I'm sure the answer to your question is actually "a hell of a lot more than is good for the point I thought I was making".

 

[Admiral2]

Basically the same thing happens in Superman, yet nobody complains of "shitty writing" there...

So I guess you missed my post where I said both scenes from both productions suffer from the exact same problems?

 

[dahj]

So I guess you missed my post where I said both scenes from both productions suffer from the exact same problems?

I did, sorry.

In my defense, I was making a hyperbole directed at people in this thread who insist it was totally different when Superman did it.

 

[Arrrrgggh]

^^
You and the bloke above you do seem to go out of your way to watch every episode of a show you obviously don't like or have issues with to prove to us "irrational fanboys" how we're wrong.

That's a bit weird thing to do, innit?

Uh, so now if you find one scene to be really badly written, you hate the show and are some kind of masochist who only watches shows you hate?

Okay... We have a rational mind at work here for sure.

 

[dahj]

Uh, so now if you find one scene to be really badly written

People don't usually drone on about one bad scene over 5 thread pages...

 

[sojourner]

People don't usually drone on about one bad scene over 5 thread pages...

You've clearly not spent time in the Walking Dead thread.

 

[dahj]

You've clearly not spent time in the Walking Dead thread.

Who jumped on a nuclear missile in that show?

 

[Arrrrgggh]

People don't usually drone on about one bad scene over 5 thread pages...

Then I guess you must really hate the show, too.

 

[dahj]

^^
I hate everything about it except the depiction of missile chasing physics

 

[Mr. Adventure]

I didn't really have any problems with the scene and still don't. Give me space scenes, the fortress and an ICBM on a TV budget and I'm pretty easy to please. Meet me halfway and I won't kick the tires too hard.

It seems to me the worst scene if any might've been the fortress scene in terms of setting up Supergirl's limits. The travel as described as well as the weight of that key seemed out of line with what they've shown so far. Perhaps the supercuzs like to impress James by exaggerating (Superman points to 1000 pound key, "That James is a million tons of dense dwarf star material." "Wow...."). Plus, how'd he get there without freezing, maybe that personal force field idea is still in effect.

 

[sojourner]

If it were really a million tons in weight it would have sunk through the ice and to the earth's core.

 

[Mr. Adventure]

I haven't really read many comics with characters with speed like that. Has anyone ever used accuracy and momentum with speedsters? Like they can go superfast but they don't have as precise control or they need time to build up to maximum speed or stop? Seems like it would be a way to explain why they can't always use 100% of their abilities at a time.