Spoilers Suicide Squad - Grading & Discussion

[eyeresist]

When Joker banged his head on his car window, when Joker says, ”let me show you my toys”, when Joker punchs the roof of his car, when Joker drops a bomb with his face all messed up and says, ”BYE BYE!”. Non of these scenes were in the movie.

It is strange that so much Joker was cut from the movie. There was a lot of hype for Leto's version, and the Joker is a very commercial character. Presumably the cut scenes fitted better with Ayer's original version, but still, why would WB cut what seems to be an entire subplot out of the movie involving one of their best characters?

 

[Guy Gardener]

Because Harley is more important, and if Harley is over shadowed then Harley seems less important. Harley's importance is as a "Role Model" although, she is just waiting around to be rescued by a man, and that's not very modern.

Harley may be a supporting character, but the Joker is her supporting character (within the parameters of Suicide Squad).

There's never going to be a blockbuster movie about Robin.

Although it's possible that we have a fight club dealio, and she imagined all of that stuff with her puddin' coming to save her, so lets just bury Slip Knot at sea and be done with it.

"You can climb anything? Climb out of 20,000 leagues bub."

 

[Turtletrekker]

According to Margot Robbie...

“There was so much of our backstory… they probably realized that the emotional through-line of the story had to be the mission we were on, and kind of explaining The Enchantress’ position and all that kind of stuff, and the backstory stuff — though it’s like magic… there’s a lot but it just didn’t make sense to confuse the present storyline with that.”

 

[M.A.C.O.]

I read on CBR that a China release for SS might still happen. Allegedly, WB is editing the film to make it more acceptable to China's censors. The film has broke $300 million worldwide in under a week, and this weekend it's poised to do good business. The only competition is Sausage Party and Pete's Dragon.

 

[LJones41]

It is strange that so much Joker was cut from the movie. There was a lot of hype for Leto's version, and the Joker is a very commercial character. Presumably the cut scenes fitted better with Ayer's original version, but still, why would WB cut what seems to be an entire subplot out of the movie involving one of their best characters?

Because the name of the movie is "SUICIDE SQUAD", not "THE JOKER" or "THE CLOWN PRINCE OF CRIME". The movie is about the squad, which was dispatched by Amanda Waller to help her escape from the Enchantress. It was not about the Joker. He was only there to serve as the background for one of the main characters - Harley Quinn, who was a member of the squad.

 

[F. King Daniel]

Saw this yesterday. Was not disappointed, I really enjoyed it. Looking forward to more.

 

[Robert Maxwell]

I saw this last week.

It's bad, but not in a "so bad it's good" kind of way. It's not really an enjoyable trainwreck. It's just badly made in a number of respects:

• Unbelievably dodgy CGI given that it's 2016 and this movie cost $175 million to make.
• Clumsy origin stories sliced down to almost nothing. They barely count as character introductions (and some characters don't even get one).
• Bizarre, unexplained plot elements. Why does Harley have a cell phone? Why didn't the Enchantress set off that bomb when she had the chance? Why did she kindly wait until the "heroes" were in her face to finish making her superweapon? Huh?
• The Joker's thin presence makes him into a plot device whose only character trait is being lovesick for Harley to the point of mass murder. OK then.
• Endless hordes of cannon fodder monsters to get gunned down/incinerated. Yawn.
• Multiple bouts of "idiot plot." It's hard to root for characters who are only in this predicament because they're dumb as hell and make stupid decisions.
• Almost wall-to-wall misogyny and toxic masculinity. I mean, whatever, it's a David Ayer film. I guess that's his thing. But such a lack of care is inexcusable in 2016.
• Terribly thin villain. Ancient god wants to destroy the world because... I dunno. I guess that's how gods do.
• So much for the "let's tone down the collateral damage" approach! This movie was equivalent to half a dozen 9/11s or something.
• Batman's character assassination continues. Why yes, let's have him punch Harley in the face then perform creepily sensual CPR on her while she's unconscious.

I tend to agree with the reviews that day BvS is the better film because it actually has themes it tries to explore (even if it does so badly and then drops them once it's time for disaster porn). This movie can't tell if it wants to be a bad-guys-gone-good redemption story, a wisecracking buddy film, a war movie, a set of tragic love stories, or what. One might argue that this means it's hard to pigeonhole. Nah, son. It ain't hard to pigeonhole. It's just bad. It doesn't know what it is, what it wants to be, or what it's trying to say. It's just a bunch of stuff happening with no real purpose.

C-, and that's generous.

 

[Commander Richard]

Batman's character assassination continues. Why yes, let's have him punch Harley in the face then perform creepily sensual CPR on her while she's unconscious.

Punching her unconscious while underwater was pretty irresponsible. She could have drowned. As for the CPR, it looked more like an awkward situation that he was hesitant about because it was her.

 

[Robert Maxwell]

Punching her unconscious while underwater was pretty irresponsible. She could have drowned. As for the CPR, it looked more like an awkward situation that he was hesitant about because it was her.

I know movies and TV shows treat this horribly inaccurately all the time, but it really is a pet peeve of mine: if you punch someone hard enough to knock them out, you've almost certainly caused brain damage. Nice job, Bats!

 

[Locutus of Bored]

I know movies and TV shows treat this horribly inaccurately all the time, but it really is a pet peeve of mine: if you punch someone hard enough to knock them out, you've almost certainly caused brain damage. Nice job, Bats!

She's just sleeping!

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[Christopher]

I know movies and TV shows treat this horribly inaccurately all the time, but it really is a pet peeve of mine: if you punch someone hard enough to knock them out, you've almost certainly caused brain damage. Nice job, Bats!

Also, if someone is knocked out hard enough to stay unconscious for more than a few seconds, they could suffer serious, progressive brain damage and die. As opposed to fictional action heroes/damsels who routinely get knocked unconscious for hours.

Also, there's knockout gas. TV and movies routinely show this as a safely, reliably nonlethal agent, but in reality, any use of an anaesthetic is dangerous unless the dose is carefully regulated and the patient closely monitored to ensure they don't stop breathing. There was that incident some years back where the Russian police used knockout gas in a mass hostage situation and killed dozens of the hostages.

 

[Commander Richard]

Maybe he should have karate chopped her shouder.

 

[dahj]

if you punch someone hard enough to knock them out, you've almost certainly caused brain damage.

We're talking about Harley here, so when it comes to brain damage it's really a case of diminishing returns...

 

[Robert Maxwell]

haw haw

 

[Christopher]

Maybe he shoyld have karate chopped her shouder.

That can actually work, a blow to the carotid artery causing a hydraulic shock that disrupts oxygen flow to the brain and causes brief unconsciousness. Although TV tends to depict it very inaccurately -- a relatively light blow to anywhere in the general vicinity of the shoulders or upper back causing complete and lasting unconsciousness.

 

[Hugo Rune]

It's called a Brachial Plexus strike/stun and is taught in police/military academies. Highly effective when performed properly and a whole lot safer than a punch to the face. You don't even have to use the rigid side of a hand, with the right placement a strike by a forearm (back or front) you go down very quickly.

Get piece of self defence.

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[ancient]

• Bizarre, unexplained plot elements. Why does Harley have a cell phone? Why didn't the Enchantress set off that bomb when she had the chance? Why did she kindly wait until the "heroes" were in her face to finish making her superweapon? Huh?

Because movie. Plot is definitely the weak point of the film.

• Almost wall-to-wall misogyny and toxic masculinity. I mean, whatever, it's a David Ayer film. I guess that's his thing. But such a lack of care is inexcusable in 2016.

It's hard to take a post seriously when it has the words "toxic masculinity" in an un-ironic manner. Also, are you aware that it is the current year of 2016?

• Terribly thin villain. Ancient god wants to destroy the world because... I dunno. I guess that's how gods do.

Cliche yes, but it's a staple, like ghosts being evil. Why are they evil? Because why else would they even be in the movie?

• So much for the "let's tone down the collateral damage" approach! This movie was equivalent to half a dozen 9/11s or something.

C'mon, stop exaggerating. That was only about eight 9/11s.

• Batman's character assassination continues. Why yes, let's have him punch Harley in the face then perform creepily sensual CPR on her while she's unconscious.

What? People who need CPR are always going to be unconscious, and it involves mouth-to-mouth assisted breathing (at least the old version did, Batman needs to get his CPR card updated). If you think that was creepy, you also think all CPR is creepy.

I know movies and TV shows treat this horribly inaccurately all the time, but it really is a pet peeve of mine: if you punch someone hard enough to knock them out, you've almost certainly caused brain damage. Nice job, Bats!

Yes, but she has super powers from the acid vat. And magic movie powers. How many helicopter crashes did these mofos walk away from in this movie?

 

[Robert Maxwell]

Because movie. Plot is definitely the weak point of the film.

One of several weak points, really.

It's hard to take a post seriously when it has the words "toxic masculinity" in an un-ironic manner. Also, are you aware that it is the current year of 2016?

You might like to join us in the present where Manly Men Being Manly has itself become a worn-out cliche. I guess Ayer has yet to get the memo. Perhaps he's too busy putting together insert shots of guns.

Cliche yes, but it's a staple, like ghosts being evil. Why are they evil? Because why else would they even be in the movie?

Once again, why are we supposed to forgive or overlook such lazy writing?

C'mon, stop exaggerating. That was only about eight 9/11s.

That's more than I said!

What? People who need CPR are always going to be unconscious, and it involves mouth-to-mouth assisted breathing (at least the old version did, Batman needs to get his CPR card updated). If you think that was creepy, you also think all CPR is creepy.

Number one, she was unconscious because Batman punched her in the face. He could have... not done that.

Secondly, it's not that he gave her CPR, but the way he did it. It was super obvious: he was basically making out with her.

Yes, but she has super powers from the acid vat. And magic movie powers. How many helicopter crashes did these mofos walk away from in this movie?

Yes, weird how she has powers that are never quite elaborated so we just have to guess at what they might be.

Evidently, they don't protect her from punches to the face, though.

 

[JD]

I saw this last week.

It's bad, but not in a "so bad it's good" kind of way. It's not really an enjoyable trainwreck. It's just badly made in a number of respects:

• Unbelievably dodgy CGI given that it's 2016 and this movie cost $175 million to make.

• It looked fine to me.

  [*]Clumsy origin stories sliced down to almost nothing. They barely count as character introductions (and some characters don't even get one).

  I actually thought they did a good job of giving us the important information for each character.

  [*]Bizarre, unexplained plot elements. Why does Harley have a cell phone?

  The asshole guard passed her to phone when first got the Squad together, and say something about it being from Mr. J.

  [*]Why didn't the Enchantress set off that bomb when she had the chance?

  She had already turned on them at that point.

  [*]Why did she kindly wait until the "heroes" were in her face to finish making her superweapon? Huh?

  Ok I might have to give you this one, but this kind of thing is so common it doesn't bother me in the slightest.

  [*]The Joker's thin presence makes him into a plot device whose only character trait is being lovesick for Harley to the point of mass murder. OK then.

  It was Harley's story, not his. The only thing that matter when it came to Harley was his relationship with her. I prefer what we got with the Joker, to getting a bunch more stuff that didn't have anything to do with Harley.

  [*]Endless hordes of cannon fodder monsters to get gunned down/incinerated. Yawn.
  [*]Multiple bouts of "idiot plot." It's hard to root for characters who are only in this predicament because they're dumb as hell and make stupid decisions.
  [*]Almost wall-to-wall misogyny and toxic masculinity. I mean, whatever, it's a David Ayer film. I guess that's his thing. But such a lack of care is inexcusable in 2016.

  I must be blind or oblivious, because I really didn't see where this is as horrible as lot of people claim.

  [*]Terribly thin villain. Ancient god wants to destroy the world because... I dunno. I guess that's how gods do.

  Her and her brother were mad because humans weren't worshiping them anymore.

  [*]So much for the "let's tone down the collateral damage" approach! This movie was equivalent to half a dozen 9/11s or something.

  I really didn't see that much collateral damage. By the time the Squad was in Midway City the city had been evacuated, and most of the buildings and stuff were still intact. There was a bit of destruction around The Enchantress's machine, but it wasn't anywhere near as bad as MOS or STID.

  
  [*]Batman's character assassination continues. Why yes, let's have him punch Harley in the face then perform creepily sensual CPR on her while she's unconscious.

  She lunged at him, so he defended himself. I wasn't bothered by the CPR.

 

[Turtletrekker]

Whoa, whoa, whoa! Hold the phone! It turns out that the DC fans have been right all along! There really is a conspiracy against DC movies, and all of the critics are a part of it.