Wouldn't it be more appropriate to blame the comics that actually created the whole concept of the modern version Suicide Squad rather than the movie that just adapted it?
Spoilers Suicide Squad - Grading & Discussion
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I guess people don't read the SS much or know much about the concept. The entire point is that it is ethically incorrect to do what Waller has done. And in the comics, the SS is only one example of her morally questionable actions. She is clearly a person for the means are an end to a goal. In many ways she is not much different from Lex Luthor.
Yeah, the Suicide Squad isn't supposed to be a good thing. Its not portrayed as morally right, in fact in the comics whenever a hero learns about it they're generally horrified. Amanda Waller is so extreme in her actions that she's generally considered a villain herself. Heck, the heroes have had to take her down specifically several times when she crosses one too many lines. In current comics she's so drunk with power she's trying to go back on a deal with Batman and capture him (along with the reformed Killer Frost), and this is after she tried to take down the Justice League. Neither the SS or Waller are portrayed as good guys in the comics. They mostly fight bad guys, but that doesn't make them good guys (although Waller certainly thinks shes a good guy).
Wasn't the big reveal at the end of JL vs. SS that Waller orchestrated Max Lord/Eclipso to wreak havoc on the general population in order for the Justice League to come to believe that there needs to be a Suicide Squad? At least, that's how I remember it. And in this case, yeah, definitely a villain.
Well, since
(in recent JLA issues) she just decided to try to capture Batman (while calling him a "villain") and is also trying to capture Killer Frost because (and this is true) Waller can't accept a villain reforming (and Frost's reformation has been solid, she's not being secretly evil on the side or anything), she obviously doesn't care about any version of the Justice League accepting the existence of the SS. So, if that had been her original goal, then her own overblown ego and paranoia just blew it all up. She can't really come back from trying to capture Batman and technically kidnapping Killer Frost (since Frost is out of jail legally, Waller has no right to take her against her will).
Edit: figured I'd put this in spoilers, since it deals with the current (and very good)Justice League of America run although it definitely connects to Waller and the JL.
So I just got this on DVD and rewatched it for the first time since the theater. I have to say my opinion of the editing/pacing has softened somewhat - it's not quite as bad as I remembered (though still it does have issues). And the performances from Margot Robbie and Will Smith are even stronger than I remember, which really does make the movie worth watching despite its problems.
Though, it also seems that my original memory of the squad taking days to be deployed was actually correct - various discussions on this board had convinced me I must've been reading too much into things, but Flagg literally says at one point that the attack started '3 days ago'. It's a dumb timeline error which I could probably just overlook in a better movie, but it just irritates me to no end in this one. Even leaving aside the fact that the movie deliberately establishes both Batman and the Flash as active crime fighters with the ability to go where they wanted and then also splashed the attack all over the TV (so where the hell were they in all of this?), it just makes no sense whatsoever that the government needs 3 days to round up some prisoners in Louisiana and fly them to Midway City.
Though, it also seems that my original memory of the squad taking days to be deployed was actually correct - various discussions on this board had convinced me I must've been reading too much into things, but Flagg literally says at one point that the attack started '3 days ago'. It's a dumb timeline error which I could probably just overlook in a better movie, but it just irritates me to no end in this one. Even leaving aside the fact that the movie deliberately establishes both Batman and the Flash as active crime fighters with the ability to go where they wanted and then also splashed the attack all over the TV (so where the hell were they in all of this?), it just makes no sense whatsoever that the government needs 3 days to round up some prisoners in Louisiana and fly them to Midway City.
The government had different priorities.
This was totally Waller organizing her own rescue mission, using the best tools at her command.
Unfortunately her most powerful asset was the target's sister.
Team 2 went in on day three.
This was totally Waller organizing her own rescue mission, using the best tools at her command.
Unfortunately her most powerful asset was the target's sister.
Team 2 went in on day three.
That would make more sense if we didn't see Waller's boss, the clear homeland security/military bigshot, ordering the activation of Task force x like five seconds after the attack starts.
And even if that was the intent, it still makes no sense for Waller to not have enough resources already in play to get them there sooner. The team is already in one place. Air transport can go from one end of the country to the other in a handful of hours. The only possible sticking point is the nanoexplosive technology - but Waller was pushing all of this before the attack started. That technology should already be on hand and waiting.
And even if that was the intent, it still makes no sense for Waller to not have enough resources already in play to get them there sooner. The team is already in one place. Air transport can go from one end of the country to the other in a handful of hours. The only possible sticking point is the nanoexplosive technology - but Waller was pushing all of this before the attack started. That technology should already be on hand and waiting.
