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As far as the class of '78 line goes, when Data tells their defrosted guests the year 2364 he says that it's 'in your calendar'. He never said it was '78 in that calendar though. Of course it doesn't make any sense for him to mean Stardate 22078 either...

Also yeah they did a great job mixing the old footage and the new footage for Trials and Tribble-ations. It didn't feel like the characters had been edited into an old episode to me, it looked like they'd gone to a different era of their own timeline and we got to see them under different lighting. And DS9 fights were always more like 60s brawls than Buffy martial arts fights anyway, so that didn't seem jarring to me either. I don't know how the episode would've felt with redone opening and ending credits, but what we got worked great for me.
 
  • Mood lighting which wouldn't be functional on a starship

Ever since Discovery introduced the concept of dance nights on ships has grown into my headcanon.

I am currently building VOY with disco lighting showing in 15 windows sets on decks 5 through 7.

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They should've went with their original idea of having Worf appear in a TOS Klingon make-up in the past and no one from his crew commenting on it. It would've saved us all a lot of trouble. Yeah, fans would've still grumbled about things looking different, but there was no reason to explain a change in production design.
Wouldn't it have created more 'trouble' instead? It would've made people wonder and speculate and question it even more.
Mind you, I don't have a problem with providing explanations for "apparent contradictions." What I have a problem with is the idea that everything that seems incongruous must need a definite explanation.
Many episodes have story elements that seem unnecessary to some people, while other people like them. Was the whole Control/S31 stuff in Disco S2 necessary, was there a good reason for it? Were warp 10 salamanders necessary, or the Borg appearing in ENT? Some people hate Q and find him absolutely unnecessary. Still, all these things are part of the in-universe history.

It was a hole that didn't need filling. It was a retcon, the Klingon makeup changes in TMP were intended to be retroactive.
Behind the scenes comments are just as canonical as the novels :p

Isn't it worse that TOS was inconsistent with itself? After all, there was far less material back then for them to have to review and make sure it was consistent. Hell, even when TNG started, all they had to review was 79 episodes and four movies. As opposed to today where there's 800 episodes and thirteen movies. If they couldn't stay consistent back when the franchise had fewer than a hundred episodes and movies total, why should they be expected to be consistent now when that number is within spitting distance of a thousand?
Memory Alpha. The Encyclopedia. The technical manuals. They all didn't exist back then, but do exist now.

TOS was so inconsistent with itself it couldn't even decided on what the Federation and Starfleet were called for most of the first, oh, 18 or 19 episodes. I know it was 1966 and 1967 and expecting a series to have ironclad first-year continuity is difficult even in our age but Gene really needed to decide before "Arena" that it was called the Federation and stick to it.

At least it was settled by season's end.
Which was at the beginning of a new show with no previously established elements in that universe.

Nah, just go with the way they actually did it. ENT's explanation might be dumb to some but Trek is full of things that either go unexplained or don't make sense until future writers or the fans solve the mysteries. The fact that the Klingon head ridge explanation is still so controversial nearly 18 years later tells me that the producers made a good and a fun decision and I still like the explanation. ;)

It's Trek. It doesn't have to make sense to everyone in order for it to work. And the best thing is it doesn't violate in-universe continuity in either direction.
And it does make sense in-universe, connecting the augments and the Klingon desire to be stronger, and answering a mystery on the side.

Hell, they couldn't even keep straight which time period the show was supposed to take place in, with various episodes placing things as early as 22nd century or as late as the 28th.
Which episode was in the 28th?

Huh? TOS was the only Star Trek series that started not knowing when it actually took place?
That, like TOS, was at the very beginning of a new show that didn't have anything to contradict yet.
It's a mistake, not a major change.

They did go out of their way to film it as much like a TOS episode as possible, and specifically hired a director who could film it as if it was 1967. They would've included a retro soundtrack if Rick Berman hadn't vetoed it. Ronald D. Moore even wanted to redo both the opening and end credits in TOS style, complete with still frames and the TOS end credits theme in the latter one, until cooler heads prevailed. The sets were purposefully built to blend into the TOS episode down to the lighting scheme, the additions to the bar brawl used a retro '60s fight choreography instead of a Hong Kong-influenced modern one, and they even went as far as to film the whole thing on a different than usual, '60s style, slower speed film stock with finer grain and different color saturation properties and retro lenses on the cameras because the new inserts would've visibly contrasted with the original TOS scenes otherwise.
All of which was great! But some people would've preferred a totally 'modern' look with new sets, costumes, actors, lighting, props (nullifying the Dax scene)... right? :p
 
Which episode was in the 28th?

The Squire of Gothos IIRC.

TRELANE: I can't tell you how delighted I am to have visitors from the very planet that I've made my hobby. Yes, but according to my observations, I didn't think you capable of such voyages.
JAEGER: Notice the period, Captain. Nine hundred light years from Earth. It's what might be seen through a viewing scope if it were powerful enough.
TRELANE: Ah, yes. I've been looking in on the doings on your lively little Earth.
KIRK: Then you've been looking in on the doings nine hundred years past.
TRELANE: Oh, really? Have I made an error in time? How fallible of me. Oh, I did so want to make you feel at home. I'm quite proud of the detail.
 
Though if they had just made Worf look like a TOS Klingon when they went back in time (which they mooted) it could have killed the idiotic Enterprise explanation before it was even born.
Was that really an idea they had? I made a joke about it years ago (and continue to do so, see avatar), but now I keep reading references that it was actually under consideration.
 
Was that really an idea they had? I made a joke about it years ago (and continue to do so, see avatar), but now I keep reading references that it was actually under consideration.
I don't see it mentioned on Memory-Alpha's episode page, and they're usually quite good with that kind of BTS trivia. Especially with TNG to ENT
 
All of which was great! But some people would've preferred a totally 'modern' look with new sets, costumes, actors, lighting, props (nullifying the Dax scene)... right?
An updated version of the 23rd century? Yes, please.

But, that wasn't the purpose of the episode.

Wouldn't it have created more 'trouble' instead? It would've made people wonder and speculate and question it even more.
Not really, no. Time travel nonsense can be explained away.
 
Michael Dorn playing a TOS Klingon would be just as implausible as having Brent Spiner play Soong's 21st century ancestor! So, yeah, why not? They should do it.
 
Wouldn't it have created more 'trouble' instead? It would've made people wonder and speculate and question it even more.
I would take "trouble" as in "continued endless speculation by the fans" over "trouble" as in "the writers openly acknowledging that everything that looks different on the screen is actually different in-universe as well, leading to the widespread idea that fans are owed an in-story explanation for any incongruous detail" a thousand times.

All of which was great! But some people would've preferred a totally 'modern' look with new sets, costumes, actors, lighting, props (nullifying the Dax scene)... right?
Apples and oranges. One was a straight one-off homage created for the 30th anniversary of the original premiere. The other is a new installment completely taking place in the same period.
 
Nah, just go with the way they actually did it. ENT's explanation might be dumb to some but Trek is full of things that either go unexplained or don't make sense until future writers or the fans solve the mysteries. The fact that the Klingon head ridge explanation is still so controversial nearly 18 years later tells me that the producers made a good and a fun decision and I still like the explanation. ;)

It's Trek. It doesn't have to make sense to everyone in order for it to work. And the best thing is it doesn't violate in-universe continuity in either direction.
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Huh? TOS was the only Star Trek series that started not knowing when it actually took place?
I didn't say that. Since the post I was responding to was about TOS, I focused on that.
Memory Alpha. The Encyclopedia. The technical manuals. They all didn't exist back then, but do exist now.
The TOS writers had access to their own scripts which they actually wrote, just as the TNG writers had access to their own scripts, plus all the episodes of TOS and the movies were available to them to watch.
Which episode was in the 28th?
Are you serious right now? You didn't know that date was established in The Squire of Gothos? That's like one of the more infamous continuity errors in all Star Trek.
That, like TOS, was at the very beginning of a new show that didn't have anything to contradict yet.
It's a mistake, not a major change.
Po-tay-to, po-tah-to.
 
I liked that Worf didn't look like the TOS Klingons when they went back in time. The "We don't speak about it with outsiders" was a funny joke and was a good enough to cover any canon issues. All we need to know is something happened. We didn't need to know what that something was. Granted I didn't mind Enterprise wanting to give a more detailed explanation if they felt they had a interesting story to tell. I felt those episodes while not great were okay so even though not needed I don't feel like it was terrible they were done.
 
I guess the question is why did they not know for sure. Bashir especially as a doctor you would think have that info because it would come in handy in dealing with any Klingon patients.
 
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