STID is better than FC, because...
STID doesn’t end it’s so-vaunted-we’re-comparing-ourselves-to-Moby-Dick ‘when seeking revenge, dig two graves’ story, by having the Kirk snap spine of a completely helpless Khan with his bare hands.
LOL. Interesting reaction and critique but I thought it was a lot better and more mature writing to say both that vengeful obsession could be corrupting and also that some threats and opponents are real and really need to be defeated. The Borg really were relentless conquerors and yet just wanting to personally hurt them & refusing to retreat from them could be irrational and self-destructive.
Kirk’s restraint was not presented as a mistake. It’s just shown as being a harder and higher road than the ones Marcus and Khan chose. He has a whole speech about it.
From the speech he doesn't seem to be much of an alternate philosophy at all, let alone a practical one; he says that trying to stop people who do us harm risks making us similarly evil so (maybe, probably, implicitly?) we shouldn't try to stop them at all (?), when those we love are taken from us we should respond by remembering that we are and should be explorers.
I’m also confused as to why the characters would talk to each other ‘nostgiacally.’
I was just responding to from Realist's post his claim that the actors made the characters feel nostalgic, I didn't think they did (at least the writing went very against it).
Kirk was overconfident and ended up with some pretty harsh consequences. Call it a mistake if you like, but I don't think the film frames it that way, or implies that Kirk's actions somehow escalated the conflict with Khan.
Well if he had either killed Khan or not brought him along, the conflict, story, film would have ended with Marcus being captured and no more fighting between the ships; Khan being stunned and then surprising Kirk with quick recovery and so taking over the ship is what made the film continue beyond that point; as well as prolonging the film it feels as if with that the writers were punishing Kirk for having restraint. I don't know about escalating the conflict but it very much did continue it.
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