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steeler vs az cardinals in the super bowl

Re: Steeler vs AZ Cardinals in the Superbowl

I am a bitter Patriots fan.....
Isn't that redundant these days? (j/k)

It's a tight, tough call, one I would not have made three weeks ago. I tend to think the Steelers will win, based upon their experience in these situations and the superior defense. But Arizona has an insight into the Steelers' D, and they have a superb offense, probably the best one the Stelers will have faced in the last several weeks.
 
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I'm a Steelers fan, but as much as I want to see them win, I don't see how they are favored by a touchdown over the Cards. It's a very close match-up, as others have argued here.

If Warner gets hot, the Cardinals will win. I don't care how good Pittsburgh's secondary is; a good quarterback with good protection can beat it.

But having said that, if Parker can gain over 100 yards, then the Steelers will be tough to beat. Once their running game is established, Rothlesberger's game really gets elevated.

I'm hoping for a good close game, with my Steelers prevailing. Oh, and of course the most important thing -- I'm hoping for some kick-ass commercials and a great halftime!
 
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I'm a Steelers fan, but as much as I want to see them win, I don't see how they are favored by a touchdown over the Cards.

That's interesting. I'm [obviously] a huge Cards fan and think the spread is reasonable. A lot can go wrong with Arizona's style of play, and any sustained breakdown probably allows the Steelers to win.

Thing is, I don't think there's gonna be much of a breakdown. The o-line's gonna protect Warner pretty well, receivers will get open, Edge and Hightower will pound out just enough yardage for balance, the big-play defense will make one or two of those, and the Cards will win.

Strangely enough, though Pittsburgh's sustained excellence this year is vastly superior, I think if both teams come out and play their best game, Arizona wins.
 
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I'm a Steelers fan, but as much as I want to see them win, I don't see how they are favored by a touchdown over the Cards.

That's interesting. I'm [obviously] a huge Cards fan and think the spread is reasonable. ....The o-line's gonna protect Warner pretty well, receivers will get open, Edge and Hightower will pound out just enough yardage for balance, the big-play defense will make one or two of those, and the Cards will win.

If the Cards offensive line protects Warner, then you're right, my Steelers are in trouble. I watched Timmy Hightower play football here in Richmond, and he's a star. It'll be tough rooting against him.
 
I'm by no means a Steelers fan -- I bleed Silver and Black -- but I was happy as hell to see them eliminate the dog ass Ravens and that prancing sociopath, Ray Lewis, to the point that I'm tempted to root for them in the Bowl.

But, truth be told, I like Kurt Warner and the Cards, and I feel for their long suffering fans, so it really is a push for me. I can be happy whoever wins it. Good luck to both teams.
 
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Hey Neroon!

Demi:
Very good analysis, except I have to disagree with you on RB. Edgerrin James has been decent recently, but he's a shell of what he once was. Moore has more or less matched him in production this year. Hightower has actually not produced much in the running game, though he does have 10 TDs, so he's good close to the goal line. Parker is healthy, now, meaning that Pittsburgh has a very good speed/power combination to go against the Cardinals run defense. Of course, that run defense has stepped it up in the post-season, a huge reason they've made it this far.

James actually leads the postseason in rushing... with Hightower 4th. The two seem to work together well. I'll agree James doesn't have a burst anymore, but he's got great vision, good agility, he's healthy and he's playing in a contract year and pissed because he was benched earlier in the season. Parker is definitely better than James, but he'll never be a power guy, but without Meandenhall the Steelers backup is Mewelde Moore. James has someone who can spell him and play smashmouth football in the 4th quarter in Hightower, Parker doesn't. And JJ Arrington is certainly as good as Moore as a 3rd down back.

As to coaching, very good to remember the Cards' staff and their familiarity with the Pittsburgh personnel and schemes. The only thing here is that Pittsburgh's staff will be well aware of that, and LeBeau's ability to craft quality defensive game plans brings this closer to even I think, possibly still an edge with the Cards.
I disagree. The difference is that the Cards coaches helped install the offense that is used there, with many of the same players. Roethlisberger and Parker both attribute Whisenhunt as teaching them the pro game.

And I'd say the best single coach there is LeBeau, but Grimm saw his blitz packages for 7 years in practice, day in day out. There's only so many ways to run the zone blitz.

The biggest advantage for the Cards is just as you said - at wide receiver. Fitzgerald is I think the best in the game right now. He catches everything thrown his way, and he's strong enough to bull for extra yardage.
I'd agree there, but I think Warner is playing at a higher level than Roethlisberger right now, and I think the Cards O-Line is better than the Steelers O-Line. It's a mess, with 2 starters on IR, and a patchwork unit that gave up 49 sacks this year, second most in the league. Roethlisberger throws well on the run because he has to! :D

BTW, that great Steelers defense that lead the league in sacks? 51 sacks. The O-Line is as bad as the D-Line and LBs are good. That's huge.

One question though.... how do you rate the other intangibles, or do they matter at all in this game? I'm thinking of experience in the Super Bowl, history, effects of an extra week off, etc.
Other intangibles - the Steelers are expected to win, the Cards are still being disrespected by the media and fans. One CBS sportscaster said that the Cards are the worst team in the history of the playoffs.

The Steelers have looked good at times but played against teams with significant injuries in the playoffs. The two best players for the Chargers didn't play (Merriaman, LT), and their 3rd best guy was hurt (Gates). The Ravens started without their top 2 CBs, and Suggs only had 1 arm.

Warner is the veteran QB. Roethlisberger has been here before, but he was AWFUL, having the worst QB rating in the history of the SB his only previous time out. That's got to weigh in the back of his mind, as well as the fact that Whisenhunt knows him so well.

The last time a coach faced his former team in the playoffs and had been a mentor to their offense, it was Gannon vs the Raiders. The Bucs picked off Gannon 5 times and won by 4 TDs.

So either the Steelers have to go up against coaches that now the players in this system intimately, or they have to do something other than what got them there. Tomlin obviously will want to vary it up, but playing outside your system often means reduced results. I'd say that's worth a TD by itself.


Oh, and while most media experts are picking the Steelers, one big one is picking the cards. The guy who took led them for nearly two decades, took them to two Superbowl, and retired 2 years ago - Bill Cowher.

http://www.cbssports.com/video/player/play/nfl/uBf64fykL8eBSO8DXrJD9oDwEpi6vhkc

So yeah, I think there's a lot of things trending their way, which I think should just barely put them over the top.

I think the Ravens, Titans or Colts probably beat the Cards, but the coaching matchup really favors the Cards vs the Steelers.

Now the one thing against the Cards is that they are a young team, but their coaches have 12 super bowl rings. And Warner is going to have a lot loss mental pressure than Big Ben - he's got nothing to lose, he's not even supposed to be here.

Anyway, that's my take. We'll see in 7 days! Woohoo!
 
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You know as much disrespect as the Cards have gotten all through their playoff run I bet if they win it will not change. Should they win their Superbowl will be discounted as an "off year" or some such thing. I know here in TN I've heard fans say things to the affect "With no Brady, Peyton who we(Titans) can beat, Giants in disarray and other teams with injuries this really could've been our year".

However, if the Steelers win it'll be because of their dominance and history of success not because of any "off year" philosophy.
 
^^^ Yup, I wish people would remember the "Any given Sunday" rule.

Records, past history, ranking, strength of schedule blah blah blah...

It's all about what happens right now, right here on this field, today.
 
^^^ Yup, I wish people would remember the "Any given Sunday" rule.

Records, past history, ranking, strength of schedule blah blah blah...

It's all about what happens right now, right here on this field, today.

That's so true. And that's what worries me!
 
What Cowher said was that he thought the cards have a good shot at winning not that they would win.

Here is the game for real and why I think the Steelers will win.

One, Except for the Titans the Steelers defense has shut down every good offense they have faced this year. Randy Moss, Chad Johnson, Chris Chambers,Terrell Owens and the guy from the Texans I can't recall his name. All shutout and contained. Reggie Wayne was the only wideout to have a big day against them. He just plain made plays the d was in position where it had to be. The d gave up 300 yards only once all season. That means great offenses Colts, Cowboys, Patriots, Chargers all got stopped cold. They didn't give up a 100 yard rusher all season and have the number one pass defense in the NFL.



Two, Ben Rothlisberger has led more than a few come from behind last min drives to win games against good defenses. He may not be prolific but he knows how to win in tough situations. Fastest qb to win 50 games, already a superbowl winner and tends not to play poorly the second time in a situation.


Three, Most of the Steelers starters where on the team that won the superbowl in '05. The cards just don't have that experiance with their players.

Now true any givin sunday any team can beat any other team, so here is the game as I see it.


The Steeler defense and cards offense will effectively cancel each other out. The question then remains is the Steeler offense better than the cards defense. Here I look only at compitition. The fact is the Steelers have played against strongeer defenses and come out on top. 12 and 4 is better than 9 and 7 any day of the week. In the preseason the it was said the Steelers had the toughest schedule in fooball and they thrived on it.


This will be a good game but the Steelers will win in the end.
 
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I'm largely indifferent but inclined to root for the AFC team since that is where the Titans are and we did beat the Steelers. Takes some sting out when you can say you beat that team.

However, another side of me wouldn't mind seeing the Cardinals win or more importantly Kurt Warner. I've heard lots of talk about how he isn't Hall of Fame material as his career stands now. However, should he win a second ring he's most likely a lock. I think he's worthy and if getting some more bling solidifies it for the talking heads then to shut them up... go Kurt go.
 
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