STC Ep. 6: "Come Not Between The Dragons" grading and discussion....(possible spoilers)
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Usdi hadn't shown up yet.
Here's the uncut engine room fight scene music from act 3. This is in the Alexander Courage style but the begining is a homage to a Sol Kaplan cue from Doomsday Machine.
https://soundcloud.com/ajfarber-1/stc-063m7-engine-room-fight
And here is a generic library music cue I wrote in a style that, to me, is a cross between Gerald Fried and Fred Steiner.
https://soundcloud.com/ajfarber-1/stc-library-1
https://soundcloud.com/ajfarber-1/stc-063m7-engine-room-fight
And here is a generic library music cue I wrote in a style that, to me, is a cross between Gerald Fried and Fred Steiner.
https://soundcloud.com/ajfarber-1/stc-library-1
In some cases, Vic has a TOS cue that he loves but it's to fast or too short for a scene. At the end of this episode he temped a scene with this cue from "Is There In Truth no Beauty" by George Duning. https://soundcloud.com/ajfarber-1/final-scene-temp
Vic looped a section and repeated another section by editing the original recording. He then sent me that edit and I listened very carefully with headphones to hear what all the different instruments where playing and I came up with this: https://soundcloud.com/ajfarber-1/4m6-01380413
Because the original cue was recorded "wild" without a click, it made it difficule to notate accurately and for me to conduct, but I got pretty close. At leat it works for our scene.
Please keep in mind that the orchestra I record STC scores with is made up of mostly undergrads from the Eastman School of Music, and TOS had the best LA studio players of the day.
Vic looped a section and repeated another section by editing the original recording. He then sent me that edit and I listened very carefully with headphones to hear what all the different instruments where playing and I came up with this: https://soundcloud.com/ajfarber-1/4m6-01380413
Because the original cue was recorded "wild" without a click, it made it difficule to notate accurately and for me to conduct, but I got pretty close. At leat it works for our scene.
Please keep in mind that the orchestra I record STC scores with is made up of mostly undergrads from the Eastman School of Music, and TOS had the best LA studio players of the day.
Since this was a topic a couple weeks ago, the opening dialogue with Scotty does pay off. His personification of the Lexington connects to his later decision to prioritize the ship's engines over finding the alien. Unlike everyone else, his paranoia manifests in concern for the ship itself.
So why are Scotty and Spock behaving unlike everybody else? Isn't that Spock's job to explain why the waves affect them so (yes, I realize he was knocked out of commission, one of the mistakes of this webisode). And if the two of them were differently-affected in a distinct way, that should have led the Captain to the solution to this confrontation.
I don't know what Marc Cushman and the Blacks are doing exactly for this show, but come on....
I don't know what Marc Cushman and the Blacks are doing exactly for this show, but come on....
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This is a point that bugged me for this episode. Kirk, Spock and McCoy are basically bystanders in resolving the problem. It's the freakin' Counselor who figures it out!
Okay, in the real world anybody might have the insight to the resolution to a problem. But this is fiction and there is the notion of the main characters usually driving the story.
And this comes back to the sense of stories being written with something of a TNG sensibility to them.
Spock's behaviour could be likened to what he experienced with the insanity parasites or during his pon farr fever. Yet even then he had a measure of self-control which was complete absent here. The mind warping effects of the alien from "Day Of The Dove" and the Gorgon from "And The Children Shall Lead" were fought and overcome with reason and logic rather than by TNG like tech.
In those instances we saw the overt display of the strength of our heroes' will and reason overcoming frailties and dangerous outside influence. Thats completely absent here.
Okay, in the real world anybody might have the insight to the resolution to a problem. But this is fiction and there is the notion of the main characters usually driving the story.
And this comes back to the sense of stories being written with something of a TNG sensibility to them.
Spock's behaviour could be likened to what he experienced with the insanity parasites or during his pon farr fever. Yet even then he had a measure of self-control which was complete absent here. The mind warping effects of the alien from "Day Of The Dove" and the Gorgon from "And The Children Shall Lead" were fought and overcome with reason and logic rather than by TNG like tech.
In those instances we saw the overt display of the strength of our heroes' will and reason overcoming frailties and dangerous outside influence. Thats completely absent here.
Or just a good old-fashioned Mary Sue. This bugged me about the story as well. It also seemed like WAY too long before somebody tried to slap an armband on Kirk. Granted, he had a phaser rifle, but still...
If McKennah is a Mary Sue, then the term no longer has its original meaning.
Funny, people complain when the supporting cast doesn't get enough to do, now they're complaining because they have too much to do. In a hypothetical 4th season, I could see them thinking it's time for an episode to showcase the supporting cast. I don't know if they'd have to tranquilize Shatner, but I could see it happening.
Wow. Hearing real honest-to-goodness acoustic instruments played by real people rather than synths feels so...revelatory.
I was thinking more of Ensign Taylor as the Mary Sue, although I freely admit my post was not clear on that point. I've been a big McKennah supporter since STC began; I certainly wasn't complaining about her having a more active role in the episode, just the relative sidelining of Kirk.
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Agreed.
No, in a leading man show like Star Trek was, they wouldn't have
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Not complaining. Just an observation, I don't think anyone here has mentioned they out right hated the fanfilm. It's just not the hypothetical 4th season in some people's minds like you want it to be.
Vic has some kind of arc for the remaining episodes and it will start in Ep. 7 (or so a liitle bird told me). My issue with that is that in an actual 4th season there would have been no such thing since the series would be ending and there would be no thought whatsoever of setting things up for a feature film sometime down the road.
The only question is if TOS had gotten a five year run then how might GR have wanted to end it?
Same little bird mentioned that seeing any Klingons during the remaining episodes doesn't seem likely.
The only question is if TOS had gotten a five year run then how might GR have wanted to end it?
Same little bird mentioned that seeing any Klingons during the remaining episodes doesn't seem likely.
With just another episode, most likely, not unlike Mission: Impossible ended after seven seasons.
Probably. Outside of The Fugitive definite endings for series weren't common and certainly not for some years later.
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