Spoilers Starship Design in Star Trek: Picard

[Tomalak]

Am I the only one who thinks that Luna class Titan looks more modern, more prestige, more up-to-date, more powerful and way better than Neo-Constitution class Titan?

It is called refit, but it looks like downgrade for me. Not upgrade .

It looks different, not necessarily better or worse, but obviously we all have opinions on aesthetics.

Terry Matalas has rationalised that the new Titan has a different role - it's more of a deep space explorer like the original Enterprise, and that is reflected in dialogue.

For whatever reason, maybe those circular saucers are most efficient for long range ships in the 25th century.

 

[Tallguy]

it's more of a deep space explorer like the original Enterprise, and that is reflected in dialogue.

I'll assume you're talking the TOS Enterprise. That's the ship that has the capability of eradicating all life on a planetary scale? That one?

 

[Dukhat]

IMO, the originally-proposed DSC design from the first teaser trailer seemed more aesthetically appealing:
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The nacelles certainly look better than those stupidly and unnecessarily long ones we ended up getting. However, the design still looks more like something built after TMP, not pre-TOS.

 

[Mudd]

I'll assume you're talking the TOS Enterprise. That's the ship that has the capability of eradicating all life on a planetary scale? That one?

Federation propaganda.

 

[Tomalak]

I'll assume you're talking the TOS Enterprise. That's the ship that has the capability of eradicating all life on a planetary scale? That one?

Yeah, the one on the five year mission to seek out new life and new civilisations.

Not sure where I suggested it didn't have the usual Starfleet weapons?

 

[Tallguy]

Yeah, the one on the five year mission to seek out new life and new civilisations.

Not sure where I suggested it didn't have the usual Starfleet weapons?

You didn't, but the dialog in the show did.

 

[Tomalak]

You didn't, but the dialog in the show did.

The episode just said the Titan was outmatched by the Shrike. The TOS Enterprise was equally outmatched by bigger alien ships on occasion. It doesn't mean the Titan can't obliterate a planet if it wanted to - indeed we see it fire antimatter torpedoes at the end of the episode.

 

[Tuskin38]

I'll assume you're talking the TOS Enterprise. That's the ship that has the capability of eradicating all life on a planetary scale? That one?

The Titan probably could too, Photon torpedoes are basically WMDs.

 

[Tallguy]

Maybe I'm remembering it wrong, but Liam was saying they were underarmed before they even knew what the Shrike's capabilities were.

 

[DaveyNY]

Captain Shaw certainly hasn't projected an image of the Titan being capable of defending itself all that well.
His first conversation with Picard & Riker made it seem like he and his ship are better suited to avoiding any kind of fight.

 

[valkyrie013]

whatever happened to Quantum Torpedoes? The blue ones..
Or Transphasic Voyager torpedoes??

 

[fireproof78]

Captain Shaw certainly hasn't projected an image of the Titan being capable of defending itself all that well.
His first conversation with Picard & Riker made it seem like he and his ship are better suited to avoiding any kind of fight.

Which may speak more to his preference than to the Titan's capabilities. He also clearly doesn't approve of Picard and Riker's antics in the past so his attitude may also be reflective of the Titan compared to the Enterprise-D, i.e. "don't think you can do what you use to do with your ship!" type attitude.

 

[cooleddie74]

whatever happened to Quantum Torpedoes? The blue ones..
Or Transphasic Voyager torpedoes??

I'm guessing transphasic torpedoes were classified because it was advanced future tech brought back to 2378 from an alternate timeline so those specs either got buried or this timeline's version of them aren't yet ready to be deployed.

 

[Kamen Rider Blade]

I'm guessing transphasic torpedoes were classified because it was advanced future tech brought back to 2378 from an alternate timeline so those specs either got buried or this timeline's version of them aren't yet ready to be deployed.

Or they're holding back using them en masse because once it's adapted to by the Borg, StarFleet would've lost their "Ace up their Sleeve".

So there's no point in mass deploying Transphasic Torpedoes unless a Borg threat is imminent.

Most other threats can be handled by Quantum Torpedoes.

Once the Borg have adapted to it, or even partially adapted to it, then it can be "Mass deployed".

 

[fireproof78]

Or they're holding back using them en masse because once it's adapted to by the Borg, StarFleet would've lost their "Ace up their Sleeve".

So there's no point in mass deploying Transphasic Torpedoes unless a Borg threat is imminent.

Most other threats can be handled by Quantum Torpedoes.

Once the Borg have adapted to it, or even partially adapted to it, then it can be "Mass deployed".

Damn MRSA!

 

[Magistos]

It occurs to me that Shaw knows his ship, his team, and himself. You should know your strengths and your weaknesses. Not every captain is Horatio Hornblower or Admiral Nimitz. Not every ship is the Enterprise with a miracle worker engineer. Not every staff is battle hardened.

That doesn't mean he's bad, that just means that perhaps battle isn't his STRENGTH. The Titan isn't bad, but it may have a load out and engineering team more suited for exploration. The crew may be great, but YOUNG, or simply inexperienced.
Shaw is at least adequate enough to judge a situation, or he wouldn't have enough political ability to be a captain. He may well have realized that whatever these two are up to (and it is likely highly unsanctioned and cowboy-esque), his ship IS NOT best suited for it.

In my job I am a great thinker, a deep thinker, and can analyze with the best of them. I can anticipate problems, make things run smoothly, debrief out of situations so it doesn't repeat and have great people who report to me. But I am not the best snap decision maker. I've trained myself to be BETTER at emergency decisions, and I can do them quite well, but I'm never going to be the best and I've gradually become okay with it - by being the type to mitigate the NEED for emergency decisions.

Shaw, the Titan, and its crew may be the same way, and he's accurately judged himself, the ship, and the crew verses whatever these two genuine legends are likely to get themselves into.

That's my compassionate assessment.

 

[Kamen Rider Blade]

Damn MRSA!

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[fireproof78]

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Medical joke. Don't worry about it

Shaw, the Titan, and its crew may be the same way, and he's accurately judged himself, the ship, and the crew verses whatever these two genuine legends are likely to get themselves into.

That's my compassionate assessment.

And a worthy one at that.

 

[Kamen Rider Blade]

It occurs to me that Shaw knows his ship, his team, and himself. You should know your strengths and your weaknesses. Not every captain is Horatio Hornblower or Admiral Nimitz. Not every ship is the Enterprise with a miracle worker engineer. Not every staff is battle hardened.

That doesn't mean he's bad, that just means that perhaps battle isn't his STRENGTH. The Titan isn't bad, but it may have a load out and engineering team more suited for exploration. The crew may be great, but YOUNG, or simply inexperienced.
Shaw is at least adequate enough to judge a situation, or he wouldn't have enough political ability to be a captain. He may well have realized that whatever these two are up to (and it is likely highly unsanctioned and cowboy-esque), his ship IS NOT best suited for it.

In my job I am a great thinker, a deep thinker, and can analyze with the best of them. I can anticipate problems, make things run smoothly, debrief out of situations so it doesn't repeat and have great people who report to me. But I am not the best snap decision maker. I've trained myself to be BETTER at emergency decisions, and I can do them quite well, but I'm never going to be the best and I've gradually become okay with it - by being the type to mitigate the NEED for emergency decisions.

Shaw, the Titan, and its crew may be the same way, and he's accurately judged himself, the ship, and the crew verses whatever these two genuine legends are likely to get themselves into.

That's my compassionate assessment.

Shaw probably has the benefit of reading up on both Picard & Riker's exploits and the unprecedented "Deep Shit" situations that they've survived & won with the odds against them.

He probably realizes the caliber of Captain he's comparing against and knows that he isn't up to that level and hasn't been truly "Tested" like these two legends have been.

 

[Sci]

Shaw probably has the benefit of reading up on both Picard & Riker's exploits and the unprecedented "Deep Shit" situations that they've survived & won with the odds against them.

He probably realizes the caliber of Captain he's comparing against and knows that he isn't up to that level and hasn't been truly "Tested" like these two legends have been.

That's a fair point. Shaw may have decided that he needs to defer to Jean-Luc because he knows he's just plain more experienced in crises like this.