Spoilers Starship Design in Star Trek: Picard

[Viper78]

Bring in Doug Drexler! That man creates fantastic starships even if some of them are a little on the weird side.

I loved his NX-01 refit and it would have been great to have seen that in action in the Romulan war.

While I do like the Eaves Enterprise-E, I much prefer the TNG/DS9/VOY era ship designs to those of the Kelvin/Discovery timelines, although I did quite like the Discovery Enterprise.

 

[DaveyNY]

I loved his NX-01 refit and it would have been great to have seen that in action in the Romulan war.

While I do like the Eaves Enterprise-E, I much prefer the TNG/DS9/VOY era ship designs to those of the Kelvin/Discovery timelines, although I did quite like the Discovery Enterprise.

At least 2009-Trek gave us familiar, kinda exotic looking TOS Era starships.

 

[137th Gebirg]

#RoundNacelles!

 

[STR]

JJTrek gave us the Kelvin (which was nice), a bunch of Kelvin kitbashes, and then a bunch of horribly misproportioned garbage.

 

[DaveyNY]

#RoundNacelles!

Designed to look like they came from the 1950's ...

Yet, God forbid they should ever resemble the actual ones from the 1960's.

 

[valkyrie013]

For being a new hero ship.. Wish theyd give the La Serina a few wel lit beauty shots... .. Still don't know what the ship looks like.
As for John Eaves. I love his designs, but I whole heartily agree that there should be lots more designers in the show's.. And yes. He's stuff all looks alike.
Just not Sean hargraves... Ugh he sucks at designing star trek stuff..

 

[DaveyNY]

JJTrek gave us the Kelvin (which was nice), a bunch of Kelvin kitbashes, and then a bunch of horribly misproportioned garbage.

I'm assuming that you consider them disproportional, due to the fact that they were larger than what we believed the proper size should have been?

I was in that boat for awhile, but I realized that it was taking me to the Island of Conclusions and I eventually figured out that it was too far a swim back.

 

[fireproof78]

At least 2009-Trek gave us familiar, kinda exotic looking TOS Era starships.

Honestly, stick the Kelvin in with DSC fleet and I would love it.

 

[Viper78]

I'm assuming that you consider them disproportional, due to the fact that they were larger than what we believed the proper size should have been?

I was in that boat for awhile, but I realized that it was taking me to the Island of Conclusions and I eventually figured out that it was too far a swim back.

JJ Trek scale and proportionally was all over the place. Some scenes had the Enterprise to approximately the same scale of the original and then about three times the size in others. I get artistic licence but it irritated me at first, now I just don't care and see the JJ trek films as a bit of fun rather than anything connected with the Trek I grew up watching in the 80's and 90's.

I don't hate JJ Trek, I just don't take it too seriously.

 

[Longinus]

Why would there be a definitive look for civvie ships built by hundreds of different member planets? We've seen plenty of Vulcan designs and a few Andorian and Tellarite.

One might expect some amount of homogenisation over the course of centuries. The technical solutions that prove to be most effective get copied by others.

I guess the big question is who built the ubiquitous Merchantman and Batris/Norkova designs.

I always liked to think that Merchantman was an early Cardassian design. I think it was even used as such once. The shape really is like a more primitive Carassian cruiser.

 

[Longinus]

I loved his NX-01 refit and it would have been great to have seen that in action in the Romulan war.

It's an abomination. I never understood how Drexler could butcher his own beautiful design so. I'm really glad it never made into canon.

 

[Rao Van Tickle]

lots of talk about the verity, no love for the la sirena? i didn't expect to like her, but i'm digging how different the design is. and red racing stripes.

I definitely see a Danube runabout lineage in here. The shape and proportions of the main body, wide and thick shoulders containing the impulse drive (presumably), and the warp nacelles (presumably) attached to the blade-like structures. Of course, La Sirena seems to be at least 2-3 decks tall. I can't imagine her having full size shuttles though. Maybe one, which simultaneously serves as the escape pod. Anyway, I see no reason why she shouldn't be able to land herself.

I actually really like her and her colour scheme after getting a clear sense of her shapes. I'd be happy to see at least some of the spikes / blades having a specific function, though. Foldable landing legs for the long blades, possibly?

 

[DaveyNY]

It's an abomination. I never understood how Drexler could butcher his own beautiful design so. I'm really glad it never made into canon.

It's meant to be a single step to bridge the Era's between the NX and the Constitution Class Ships.

I'm glad he did it instead of someone else, it probably would have been"butchered" in that case.

 

[Dukhat]

I'm assuming that you consider them disproportional, due to the fact that they were larger than what we believed the proper size should have been?

I was in that boat for awhile, but I realized that it was taking me to the Island of Conclusions and I eventually figured out that it was too far a swim back.

I don’t think that’s what @STR meant. Look at the nuEnterprise. The ridiculously huge nacelles attached to flimsy-looking pylons seems completely out of proportion to the rest of the ship. And the secondary hull suffers from being far too front-heavy. I’ve mentioned this before, but if I didn’t already know better, I would think that three different people were tasked with designing the saucer, secondary hull, and nacelles, without consulting the others about what they were doing, and then each part was just cut-and-pasted together like those really bad ship GIFs that fans would put together in photoshop from years ago.

 

[cooleddie74]

I have no problem with Them adding all sorts of new starship designs.

I just wish that They would also insert a couple of familiar designs along the way.
What harm would there have been in DISCOVERY's first two seasons if we had seen in the background, some ships more akin to the TOS Enterprise?

That's what frustrates me, I don't understand the value of completely ignoring what has come before.
As far as I'm concerned Fuller was an idiot for going that route.

Agreed.

Fuller's edict went too far and was counterproductive. Sometimes different just for the sake of different isn't the best creative choice.

 

[fireproof78]

JJ Trek scale and proportionally was all over the place. Some scenes had the Enterprise to approximately the same scale of the original and then about three times the size in others. I get artistic licence but it irritated me at first, now I just don't care and see the JJ trek films as a bit of fun rather than anything connected with the Trek I grew up watching in the 80's and 90's.

I don't hate JJ Trek, I just don't take it too seriously.

It all shouldn't be taken too seriously.

Abrams Trek is right in tone with TOS.

 

[BillJ]

It's meant to be a single step to bridge the Era's between the NX and the Constitution Class Ships.

That isn't needed now that we have the Discovery version.

 

[SolarisOne]

I never thought I'd be saying this but, at this point, I'd be perfectly satisfied if we never see a single Berman-era ship in more than in a dream sequence, hologram, or scale model form. Then, I won't have to hear so much of the "they ruined our childhood" BS. It's fucking ridiculous.

I'm saying this as someone who used to obsess over the same stuff. As time goes on, I become less able to care about it. I think all of the visceral hatred pointed, first at DSC and now PIC has soured me towards that way of thinking.

 

[Tarek71]

At least we dont have Akiraprise arguments anymore. I remember those on here when they first showed the ship prior to Broken Bow airing.

La Sirena is ugly to me. And has an odd layout. Such a large voluminous tall main deck behind the open cockpit, but you cant use it that well for cargo hauling because of where they place the railings. Cargo space would be the reason for having such a large open section. Seems like a lot of wasted space.

 

[137th Gebirg]

Was thinking the same thing. Almost wish they stuck with (maybe an upgraded) Merchantman design. But hey, whatcha gonna do?