O'RLY?
From STII:TSFS:
http://www.chakoteya.net/movies/movie3.html
(Although yeah, if you go with the idea that the 1701 refit was still using the 1701's ORIGINAL Hull/Structure, the ship was closer to 40 years old...)
Spoilers Starship Design in Star Trek: Picard
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From STII:TSFS:
http://www.chakoteya.net/movies/movie3.html
(Although yeah, if you go with the idea that the 1701 refit was still using the 1701's ORIGINAL Hull/Structure, the ship was closer to 40 years old...)
And if it was using an old design, with definite ENT elements, worse still.
But Kirk's Enterprise is the ship of a thousand faces. Perhaps 20 years is the interval between vital facelifts, and at the end of each period, a death sentence is pondered.
None of the other hero ships we followed survived past two decades. Some background designs clearly did, but perhaps because they weren't living up to heroic standards? The Excelsiors seemed to soldier on unaltered, despite looking the part of a frontline vessel - a rare case of refits confined to the interior?
Timo Saloniemi
But Kirk's Enterprise is the ship of a thousand faces. Perhaps 20 years is the interval between vital facelifts, and at the end of each period, a death sentence is pondered.
None of the other hero ships we followed survived past two decades. Some background designs clearly did, but perhaps because they weren't living up to heroic standards? The Excelsiors seemed to soldier on unaltered, despite looking the part of a frontline vessel - a rare case of refits confined to the interior?
Timo Saloniemi
Oh, ok...
There was the Enterprise-B/Lakota variant.
But it wasn't what allowed those Excelsiors to serve beyond the putative 20-year lifespan...
(Unless we postulate that a given ship would have been refitted back and forth between the two known specs every twenty years! But that would be likely to shorten rather than lengthen service life.
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Timo Saloniemi
(Unless we postulate that a given ship would have been refitted back and forth between the two known specs every twenty years! But that would be likely to shorten rather than lengthen service life.
)Timo Saloniemi
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Yeah an individual ship life span is not the same as class lifespan.
An individual vessel that is 30 years old is getting on a bit but the class itself is not due to design revisions for new builds, however you can only refit and upgrade an existing ship so much before you are better off building a new one, sooner or later the limitations of the platform itself is going to become the issue rather than specific subsystems, weapons or bridge modules.
At that point its time to assign the ship to duties it can manage and leave it there rather than trying to keep it top of the line, if nothing else the ships structural integrity limits will be what decides it in the end, they can be reinforced in places of weakness but that just places even more stress on other areas of the hull/frame.
I like how it was handled at the end of BSG when we see the Galactica break its own back making its last jump.
That is what I think happened to the Excelsior class, it is still a valuable tool but it has reached its limits.
It does not happen much to front line capital ships as the attrition rate is quite high so the enemy tends to sort the wheat from the chaff for you.
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it would be nice if she wasn't the fastest, most powerful civilian ship in the quadrant, but i have a feeling that's not the direction they're going here. just look at all those glowy engine parts, she can probably make the kessel run in way less than 12 parsecs.
I wish she would look a bit more Star Trek-y. Instead like most new Trek designs it looks like it came right out of Mass Effect.
I especially liked how Trek ships had nacelles with the glow-y parts facing front- or sideways. Instead of looking like regular engines at the back (like here), like all other SF properties. That was truly unique to Trek, and indicated a very different type of engine (a fancy warp Bubble, instead of impulse propulsion from the back).
That being said - I quite like that little ship already. For Trek, it's something new. And I like they didn't Millennium Falcon it - it's still kept in good shape and as high-tech as a faster-than-light ship should be. So still a very Trekkian ship overall, and I really like the character of it.
i appreciated that little "you are starfleet" bit myself. the interior is (to me) much cooler than the exterior, which looks a little convoluted. but i much prefer trek trying new things than just sticking to nostalgia.
I hope she fucks shit up.
I still don't think they've given us a really good look at the ship. The exterior barely got any screen time.
Yeah, I figure that over the series we will get a better idea of it.
Agreed. Hopefully we’ll get some TMP Dyle beauty shots.
Did anybody else notice we're getting a "starburst" after the La Sirena goes to warp, going back to showing warp jumps that way? There may have been one or two in DSC but generally a ship just stretched/zipped into the distance and vanished.
