Spoilers Starship Design in Star Trek: Picard

[David cgc]

No they don't. They have a game quality model of the Luna, not cinematic TV quality.

Tobias Richter said his full-quality Titan model used for book covers, SotL, and Eaglemoss(?) was available to them, which probably matched or exceeded the quality of the CG models being used on DSC, PIC, and SNW (there's optimizations and breakouts that would probably need to be done, too, but they did build an all-new model, it's not like it could've been more work to use the existing design). You can't get away with as many cheats in high-res stills, so even "hero" prestige-TV models might have weird little corners cut.

 

[Dukhat]

Humor. Sarcasm. Joke. Hyperbole. Wit.

My default language is sarcasm.

So, no one, then.

 

[fireproof78]

So, no one, then.

Is that important?

 

[Tuskin38]

Who said that Matalas isn't using the Luna class ship because he hates it?

He was clearly being sarcastic.

 

[137th Gebirg]

Humor. Sarcasm. Joke. Hyperbole. Wit.

My default language is sarcasm.

Here, made this for ya...

 

[fireproof78]

Here, made this for ya...
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You are a prince among admirals.

 

[Dukhat]

He was clearly being sarcastic.

I was referring to your post that he replied to:

Terry just really liked the Shangri-La Class, that's it. There's no secret hatred against the Luna class or anything.

 

[Tuskin38]

I was referring to your post that he replied to:

It seemed implied last page.

 

[Dukhat]

Implied by who?

 

[Magistos]

I'm gettin' dizzy with this ping-pong match.

 

[Dukhat]

I'm gettin' dizzy with this ping-pong match.

Feel free to change the channel.

 

[Sci]

That completely glosses over the point @Caeruleus was making, and which I've mentioned in the past as well. Ask anyone who has never seen a single episode or movie of Star Trek to watch an episode of SNW and an episode of PIC, and I bet they'd be hard pressed to tell the difference as to what time period those shows are set in. The technology level and overall look of the shows are too similar to say that one show takes place 150 years after the other.

Yeah, I see your point there. But I'm not sure if most audience members are particularly invested in the idea that the differences in settings should translate into a noticeable visual difference in technology levels. Are lots of people really pulling up an episode of Star Trek: Picard and thinking to themselves, "I can't get invested in this story because the USS Titan-A doesn't look much more advanced than the USS Enterprise on Strange New Worlds"?

It must be Starfleet surplus from the TNG movie era, because it sure doesn't look like a ship from the TNG TV era.

Yeah, the LCARS O.S. on the Eleos has the kinds of color shadings and more-complex interface layouts that Okuda was using in the TNG movies and the later seasons of DS9 and VOY. It could easily be a ship of the late 2370s.

It's kind of an issue with this season of Picard. It's meant to be a TNG tribute but the look, the music, even whole scenes like the spacedock launch are taken straight from the TOS movies.

Yeah. It's not a big deal, but on an aesthetic level I find it a bit annoying when the narrative of S3 all but screams "Next Generation! Next Generation! Next Generation!" yet so many elements of the paratext ("In the 25th Century...," episode title fonts, main titles fonts, sequence callbacks) are drawn from the TOS films. It feels dramatically arbitrary and inconsistent.

 

[Magistos]

Feel free to change the channel.

Didn't say I didn't like it.

That said, I'm going to go with the simple feeling that the ship looks different because it needs to be easily recognizable. Now, is it as easily recognizeable to ST newbies as it is to old hands? Probably not, but it's different enough that on screen with multiple ships, I can easily say "THAT is the Titan-A".
In universe, personally in a world where they seem to change uniforms like underwear, and live in a post scarcity society, deciding to make a resto-mod/PT Cruiser startship doesn't seem like a stretch. While it's been around a long time, it is Star Trek, not hard space opera (yet).

 

[Macintosh]

For a personal ship, that's plenty big, that's the size of a small warehouse.

So I did some basic Geometry and Relative Proportions.

SS Eleos:
Length ~= 119.X meters
Width ~= _64.9 meters
Height ~= 3-4 decks (Actual Height Unknown due to lack of underside shots, so very rough estimates based on limited visual data).

P.S. Am I the only one who thinks the SS Eleos resembles a "Horse Shoe Crab" to some degree?

Putting this with other small starships we know: it's roughly the same size as the Freedom-class or an Oberth-class, about 50% bigger than the Raven-type, and about two thirds the size of a Defiant-class. Very roomy indeed for a two-person crew.

I'm guessing it's based on this early John Eaves concept for Star Trek Online, though it's apparently much smaller judging from the windows.

 

[Tuskin38]

Putting this with other small starships we know: it's roughly the same size as the Freedom-class or an Oberth-class, about 50% bigger than the Raven-type, and about two thirds the size of a Defiant-class. Very roomy indeed for a two-person crew.

I'm guessing it's based on this early John Eaves concept for Star Trek Online, though it's apparently much smaller judging from the windows.

The Eleos's nacelles are from this version

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That one does look a bit less retro.

 

[Tuskin38]

That one does look a bit less retro.

I think the one you posted may have been a redesign for ST09 even though TrekCore slapped it into the STO folder.

 

[Kamen Rider Blade]

Putting this with other small starships we know: it's roughly the same size as the Freedom-class or an Oberth-class, about 50% bigger than the Raven-type, and about two thirds the size of a Defiant-class. Very roomy indeed for a two-person crew.

I'm guessing it's based on this early John Eaves concept for Star Trek Online, though it's apparently much smaller judging from the windows.

But how does it compare to the "La Sirena" & "Cleveland Booker's ship"?

 

[valkyrie013]

Still gets me.. Eleo's has to Charge the Warp core for what seems like minutes to go to warp?? Huh??

As Lord Helmet said: JUST GO!

 

[XCV330]

Still gets me.. Eleo's has to Charge the Warp core for what seems like minutes to go to warp?? Huh??

As Lord Helmet said: JUST GO!

It may be a privately owned ship. They can't all be La Sirena's. Elios might have been a junker, or just repaired as much as possible to keep going.