Spoilers Starship Design in Star Trek: Picard

[Ar-Pharazon]

While not mechanical parts, I believe the new CVN-80 Enterprise uses some metal recycled from the CVN-65 Enterprise.

...approximately 20,000 pounds of steel, from CVN-65, has been salvaged and recycled for inclusion into CVN-80, with another 15,000 pounds still to be processed, for a total of 35,000 pounds. Enterprise will also incorporate four portholes taken from CV-6, her World War II predecessor. Also, an anchor from CV-65 went to the USS George Washington.

 

[Dukhat]

...approximately 20,000 pounds of steel, from CVN-65, has been salvaged and recycled for inclusion into CVN-80, with another 15,000 pounds still to be processed, for a total of 35,000 pounds. Enterprise will also incorporate four portholes taken from CV-6, her World War II predecessor. Also, an anchor from CV-65 went to the USS George Washington.

I’d bet none of the former captains of those older vessels think that the CVN-80 is the same ship as the one they commanded, or even a ‘refit.’ Nor do I think the CVN-80’s commanding officer believes that his ship is the same one as the CVN-6 or the 65. But this is essentially what we are supposed to believe about the Titan.

 

[fireproof78]

The spirit of the Titan lives on!

 

[Tomalak]

So, do we know for sure that Rikers Titan didn't contain materials from Saavik's?

Sure why not? Maybe it's got the ship's bell. Like how the Enterprise-E has the conference table from the D.

 

[Rahul]

After the premiere I'm even more confused why they didn't just use the new Stargazer...?

Probably Terry Matalas just liked the look of the Shangri-la better. But it makes so much less sense. Not only does the Stargazer fit aesthetically better as a "real" post-NEM ship, has a better "name-history" with Picard, it also connects it with the previous seasons better, has a more unique identity, and the sets are reused anyways. Just a bad decision. But that's par for the course...

 

[Tomalak]

Because Rios isn't the captain any more, so Picard didn't have an "in". The Titan was Riker's idea because he thought he still had some pull, and he also knew Seven was there.

 

[publiusr]

The Shrike look like a X-winged Son’a ship to anyone?

 

[Macintosh]

Sure why not? Maybe it's got the ship's bell. Like how the Enterprise-E has the conference table from the D.

They may have recycled the prop from a production point-of-view but that doesn't mean it's the same table in universe, especially as they deliberately made it look different. The Enterprise-D's observation lounge table had a black top like a giant LCARS display, and controls at each station; the Enterprise-E's observation lounge table is underlit, with only some stations having controls.

 

[Macintosh]

Because Rios isn't the captain any more, so Picard didn't have an "in". The Titan was Riker's idea because he thought he still had some pull, and he also knew Seven was there.

Shaw's been captain of the Titan for five years, what pull would Riker have still had with that crew? Did any of them even serve under him? There is no reason it couldn't have been the Stargazer with Shaw as its new captain and Seven as his first officer, they'd have had exactly the same pull. They just wanted a new ship design, and that's fine; but they jettisoned a great ship design for a problematic one, which isn't.

 

[Tomalak]

Shaw's been captain of the Titan for five years, what pull would Riker have still had with that crew? Did any of them even serve under him? There is no reason it couldn't have been the Stargazer with Shaw as its new captain and Seven as his first officer, they'd have had exactly the same pull. They just wanted a new ship design, and that's fine; but they jettisoned a great ship design for a problematic one, which isn't.

But by that logic there's no reason why it should have been the Stargazer either. So yes, writers and producers are entitled to want a new ship design. It's not problematic.

 

[Macintosh]

But by that logic there's no reason why it should have been the Stargazer either.

Apart from the Stargazer already being established in PIC, and already having some audience investment in it.

So yes, writers and producers are entitled to want a new ship design. It's not problematic.

A new ship design in theory? No. That specific weirdly retro ship design that's called "Neo-Constitution" instead of "Neo-Shangri-La" when it looks way more like a Shangri-La-class ship than a Constitution-class ship, because, oh, reasons and fan service? Yes. If they're going to ditch the Stargazer on a whim I'd at least like it to be for a ship that's somewhat attractive with a design that somewhat makes sense.

 

[Dukhat]

But by that logic there's no reason why it should have been the Stargazer either. So yes, writers and producers are entitled to want a new ship design. It's not problematic.

Actually, we shouldn't have seen any Starfleet ship at all, because Beverly explicitly told Picard not to use or trust Starfleet. There were a million ways Picard and Riker could have acquired a ship of their own without resorting to Riker's hairbrained plan to hijack the Titan.

 

[cooleddie74]

The Shrike look like a X-winged Son’a ship to anyone?

Or a Xindi vessel, more specifically an oversized, blown-out Insectoid ship with all the points.

 

[F. King Daniel]

Oh dear, those windows on the saucer rim must be huge!

I remember people saying the exact same thing in 2009. Come Star Trek Beyond, they were showing close ups of the huge windows showing crew inside.

 

[fireproof78]

After the premiere I'm even more confused why they didn't just use the new Stargazer...?

Because it's not supposed to be Picard's ship.

 

[Tomalak]

Actually, we shouldn't have seen any Starfleet ship at all, because Beverly explicitly told Picard not to use or trust Starfleet. There were a million ways Picard and Riker could have acquired a ship of their own without resorting to Riker's hairbrained plan to hijack the Titan.

Haha yeah that was my immediate thought too.

But Bev specifically used encryption that only Riker would be able to decode, so she must have known he'd get Riker involved.

And Riker's plan worked, although not as originally intended.

 

[fireproof78]

Hairbrained schemes are normal for Star Trek.

 

[USS Artorius]

Actually, we shouldn't have seen any Starfleet ship at all, because Beverly explicitly told Picard not to use or trust Starfleet. There were a million ways Picard and Riker could have acquired a ship of their own without resorting to Riker's hairbrained plan to hijack the Titan.

Agreed. It would have been interesting to see the two try to wiggle their way onto a civilian transport or freighter, just to give a different perspective from the almighty Federation. The first thing Riker thinks off is to hijack a Starfleet Ship... Easy peasy and Picard is like okay why not? Don't trust the Federation. No worries the Federation shouldn't trust those two either, it works both ways! This is what Shaw is eluding to at dinner, that given Picard and Riker's history then they are bound to be on some sort of secret high-stakes mission and not some short notice bullsh*t inspection. I know he treats Seven like crap, but otherwise I'm taking Shawn's side. They could have just told him that someone dear to them was in mortal danger and he might have been swayed. Shaw knew they were lying to his face thats why he acts like an ass and puts them in the crew bunks. They might aswell have hitched a ride on a Klingon BoP! It was a sh*t plan but fair enough since they were rushing to save Beverley.

 

[Tuskin38]

Actually, we shouldn't have seen any Starfleet ship at all, because Beverly explicitly told Picard not to use or trust Starfleet. There were a million ways Picard and Riker could have acquired a ship of their own without resorting to Riker's hairbrained plan to hijack the Titan.

and they didn't. they didn't tell Shaw why they wanted to go there, or anything about Beverly.

 

[Dukhat]

Haha yeah that was my immediate thought too.

But Bev specifically used encryption that only Riker would be able to decode, so she must have known he'd get Riker involved.

And Riker's plan worked, although not as originally intended.

Unfortunately his plan puts the entire crew of the Titan in a dangerous situation that they didn't ask for and could have easily avoided by finding another way to get to Beverly.

and they didn't. they didn't tell Shaw why they wanted to go there, or anything about Beverly.

Exactly. They put Shaw and his crew and ship in a dangerous situation for personal reasons and weren't at all truthful about their intentions.