Starship design history in light of Discovery

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  1. USS Firefly

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    Well that is not really difficult is It? :)
     
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    I'll defend the Shepard-class to my last breath, but yeah. Some of those are just hideous.
     
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    I heard ILM lost the meshes for the 2009 background ships:rolleyes:. Hence Eaglemoss' USS Kobayahi Maru having very different proportions and paintwork, based on an early concept CG that survived.

    I'd hazard that Tobias Richter's Newton, Mayflower, Armstrong etc models are close enough for satisfying Eaglemoss models.
     
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    :wah:

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    I remember hearing about this as well. I think I also remember losing my shit when I did, wondering if any of those people ever heard of making backups of their work on CD/DVD/BRD/tape/whatever. No excuse in this day and age not to take that extra relatively simple step to ensure something like that isn’t lost forever, if not for the single purpose of continuity in future projects. Fucking amateurs, if true. ILM should have known better.
     
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    I have Richter’s pics of those ships. The only thing I think he got wrong was that he gave the Mayflower a Reliant-style weapons pod when the actual ship didn’t have one (He was probably basing his model on that inaccurate artwork someone posted earlier.)
     
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    Beautiful.
     
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    How exactly does one lose something like that?
     
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    There are small things that may hint at bigger goofs, too: the nacelles of the Newton are upside down, say. That is, the surface detail on them is, particularly the blue-glowing "field windows".

    It's too bad that we'll never know now: we can't take Richter's art and measure pixel by pixel how long exactly a specific ship might have been, or how tall the portholes really were, or how exactly (or whether) the shuttlebay interior of the Kelvin actually worked with the sets or the exterior.

    Doesn't mean the ships wouldn't be pretty to look at. And odds are that there never was much detail or intent or, say, easter eggs beyond what we can see in the movies and in Richter's art. But there's hours if not years of fun to be had dissecting the imperfections of the TOS model, and we can't do that with the 2009 ships now.

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    Richter did the best he could with the material available. What’s more disturbing is the carelessness of the loss of the original CGI meshes.
     
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    Hard drive crashes, data corruption, transferring of servers that goes poorly. These are usually fairly large files, which means transferring them doesn't always go perfectly.
     
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    If a fan hadn't taken them, all the Alien models would've been destroyed. I remember seeing a picture of a dumpster full of phasers and other props from TUC in a behind the scenes book. It apparently was/is normal procedure to destroy things after production has finished.
     
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    Yes, it is. Even in the Prequels the entire Jedi Council set was struck after filming of Episode 1, so most of Episode 2 council shots were recreated digitally.

    Space is a premium in Hollywood and there is not the same type of sentimentality with these things as among fans.
     
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    All of which could be mitigated through best-practices backup techniques. This was just damn careless and sloppy work.
     
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    I didn't say it wasn't.
     
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    And now I am in mind of the old Smarties candy-promotion jingle. Back before Nestlé bought that brand and the rest of the Rowntree line. :-)
     
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  18. DEWLine

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    As for the loss of those digital models for the 11th movie fleet ships?
    That's horrific news.
     
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