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Starship design history in light of Discovery

cooleddie74 said:
The Odyssey-class Enterprise-F has grown on me. I used to hate it.

Fight me.

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fireproof78 said:
Better than the C or D, in my opinion.
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All it really needs is a detailed high texture model for TV, it would be a great surprise reveal on Picard, although if the STO timeline is followed we won't see the class for a while yet.
 
cooleddie74 said:
The Odyssey-class Enterprise-F has grown on me. I used to hate it.

Fight me.

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No fight needed. People like what they like. If you like the Odyssey class (specifically as the Enterprise-F), more power to you. I do not like the design at all and hope that the actual F, if shown, looks nothing like it.

Gonzo said:
All it really needs is a detailed high texture model for TV, it would be a great surprise reveal on Picard, although if the STO timeline is followed we won't see the class for a while yet.
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STO changes to fit PIC, not the other way around. And the producers of PIC have no intention of having their stories fit some non-canon video game that a fraction of Star Trek fans play or even know about.
 
In some ways the Enterprise-F based on Eaves' design for the 1701-E has a better flow to it than the previous starship. It has smoother, more organic lines. Does anyone know if Eaves actually designed the 1701-F or did the game designers simply take the Enterprise-E and use it as the basis for the next ship in the lineage?
 
cooleddie74 said:
In some ways the Enterprise-F based on Eaves' design for the 1701-E has a better flow to it than the previous starship. It has smoother, more organic lines. Does anyone know if Eaves actually designed the 1701-F or did the game designers simply take the Enterprise-E and use it as the basis for the next ship in the lineage?
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The basic design came about after the “Design the Enterprise-F” contest that STO held. This was the actual winning design that a member of this very board drew up:

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Then the guys at STO refined it to its current design. To my knowledge, Eaves was not involved. But I can see why you would think that, since so much of STO’s final design took cues from the Enterprise-E.

And that’s one of the reasons why I don’t like the design. It looks too much like the ship that came before it, and not a lot of imagination was put into making it different and unique (to me, it looks like a Sovereign and an Intrepid class mated and had an ugly kid.)

Of course, I also don’t have a lot of faith that if Eaves designs a new F for PIC, that it will be any more unique or different than his usual stuff.
 
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Here is the series of orthos that were released at the time:
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I have two people credited to its development: Adam Ihle & Adam Williams. Not sure who did what; just know the names.

Honestly, I don't think this a bad mesh in its current state. Yes, I can see the subtle polygonal angles around the edge of the saucer, but other than that, it's serviceable, and could easily sit along side the 300 other versions of USS Copy/Paste and most would never see its shortcomings, especially considering how muddy the others looked by comparison. This one would be a breath of fresh air, honestly.
 
Just a thought on registry numbers, after reading several posts and watching Court Martial again, where you can make out most of the numbers, perhaps the 1 in the number denotes "ship of the line". Making Constitution class ships designed for the deepest exploration possible via warp 8 engines. Just a thought
 
137th Gebirg said:
Here is the series of orthos that were released at the time:
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I have two people credited to its development: Adam Ihle & Adam Williams. Not sure who did what; just know the names.

Honestly, I don't think this a bad mesh in its current state. Yes, I can see the subtle polygonal angles around the edge of the saucer, but other than that, it's serviceable, and could easily sit along side the 300 other versions of USS Copy/Paste and most would never see its shortcomings, especially considering how muddy the others looked by comparison. This one would be a breath of fresh air, honestly.
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I love the whaleish engineering hull, but the nacelles are a little odd. The pylons should also be thicker to fit with the strong look of the rest of the ship. The dual connections between the hulls seem a little strange, but they remind me of the Oberth and Springfield classes, and I love those.
 
It does have a case of Oberthitis with the connecting dorsals, yes, but unlike the super-thin versions seen on the Grissom, these appear more functional and usable as means of conveyance between hulls. I've heard all the justifications for the Oberth versions (sideways turbolift tubes, intra-ship beaming, etc.), none of which I really much liked, except maybe how its secondary hull is an uninhabited sensor package, which made the most sense to me. IMO, the Odyssey/E-F configuration just seems more believable, relatively speaking.
 
I can picture Jefferies tubes running through the dorsals on Oberth-class ships much like those that led from the main body of the NX-01 to the warp nacelles and their catwalks. Turbolift cars not so much. Not that it couldn't be possible but I get the feeling that Jefferies tubes would be the easiest ways to travel through the dorsals and especially given how small the Oberth-class ships are compared to other Federation starships of their era.
 
137th Gebirg said:
Here is the series of orthos that were released at the time:
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:barf:

IMO it looks ok from the top and side but every other angle is horrible. The whole thing just looks fat and lumbering, similar to the USS Copy Paste, but with a sleek pointed saucer section that makes it look confused.

When we do get to see the F in Picard, I would hope Eaves would fight his usual instinct of colouring the hull in that usual dark grey metallic look he aways does and give us something a bit brighter. The near white E in First Contact was a breath of fresh air and reminded me of the older TOS/TNG era ships. And contrary to most designs these days, it doesn't need to be over-designed to look cool and intimidating.

cooleddie74 said:
I used to dislike a lot of the Kelvin Timeline starships but they look a lot more TOS in design and lineage than almost any of the ones on DSC. They've warmed on me.
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cooleddie74 said:
These ships are works of beauty compared to some that are in the Battle of the Binary Stars. ;)
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They're a million times better, and critically, more COHESIVE than any of Eaves' work on Discovery.
 
The STO 'Design the Enterprise-F" contest was one of the most poorly-run contests I've ever seen. On the surface, the idea was simple: fans could submit a ship design to the contest, and people could vote on which ship they liked the best. You could submit anything: a drawing, a CGI model, a photo of a physical model, etc. The only stipulation was that it had to be an original design that the person submitting it created.

But past that, it was a huge clusterfuck. The contest went on too long, people started submitting designs that weren't theirs, submitting silly things like Locutus's head with nacelles attached, the voting got skewed because you could vote an infinite number of times, etc. And then, once all that got fixed and the results came in, it turned out that it was the people at STO that made the winning choice, NOT the popular vote. So the fan vote meant absolutely nothing. And to add insult to injury, Adam Ihle won the contest for the drawing he submitted when others had made entire CGI meshes and different orthos, and they all got pissed at poor Adam for his simple ink drawing when Ihle actually didn't do anything wrong. It turned out that what STO really wanted was just a 'base' idea of a ship, that they would then refine to what they wanted, and they were not at all clear about that. So the people who spent a lot of time and effort on their designs were angry. And, quite frankly, some of the designs that were the top votes for the popular vote were far better than what STO eventually made, although lots of the submitted designs were really just modifications of the Enterprise-E and not at all original.

So the whole thing was just ugly. There were a lot of pissed off people, the winner got lots of undeserved crap (causing him to actually leave the TrekBBS because of 'winner's guilt') and STO ended up with a stupid-looking ship for the Enterprise-F. The only consolation was that the game was non-canon and the chances of that ship ever showing up on screen was practically nil.
 
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cooleddie74 said:
Although you can begin to see the evolution towards the look of the Enterprise-J less than 200 years later. The lines are becoming more organic and jellyfish-like.
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I think the F looks great, its a merging of the D and E.

Would be great to see it in Picard although I will be more than happy with the E or a new class instead.

We may not see any Enterprise in Picard which is also fine by me, its a big galaxy after all.
 
It's an interesting design, but it's just to damn big. (IMO)

I wish They would go back to smaller designs that don't need a thousand people or more just to get it out of drydock.
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DaveyNY said:
It's an interesting design, but it's just to damn big. (IMO)

I wish They would go back to smaller designs that don't need a thousand people or more just to get it out of drydock.
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So you don't like the size of the Galaxy class? It has a crew of 1k.
 
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