Starship design history in light of Discovery

Discussion in 'Star Trek: Discovery' started by INACTIVEUSS Einstein, Nov 18, 2017.

  1. DaveyNY

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    Another thought occurred to me....
    Perhaps there were never any Romulan bodies seen and/or recovered during the Earth/Romulan War because of their ships having the Singularity Devices as power.

    They either blew themselves up on purpose or their starships went 'Ka-Boom' naturally, at a certain point of sustained damage.
    Either way, when the Singularity lost it's containment field anything nearby would have been totally annihilated.
    Might even be possible that a few Earth Star Fleet ships could have been lost due to being too close to the explosion (Implosion?) at times.

    If so, one would imagine that the Admirals back on Earth would instruct/order all their Captains NOT to approach or try to capture any of the enemy due to what appears to be their complete suicidal nature.
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  2. Tomalak

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    This obviously doesn't happen, even with conventional warp cores, otherwise the Dominion War battlefields like Chin'Toka would be littered with tiny black holes or massive explosions.

    I guess when they lose containment the worst thing that happens is the singularity collapses. They're artificial, so presumably the Romulans would bake in some safety features. They aren't Klingons!
     
  3. DaveyNY

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    Well, it could be that by the time of the Dominion War (100+ years later) the Romulans had refined their devices to the point where it no longer was as big a threat as when they first began using them.
    The BOP in TOS did appear to completely destroy itself at the end of "The Balance of Power" leaving nothing behind for the Enterprise to find.

    Also, the Enterprise-D's run-away warp core explosion in "GENERATIONS" did essentially Completely Annihilate the secondary hull and probably would have done the same to the primary hull if it had still been attached.

    As far as the drives leaving "Black Holes" behind, I would surmise that the heart of the drive is most likely just a 'pin-prick' in size, thus completely disappearing after its initial release and wave of destruction.
     
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    Click! Detailed looks at the USS Europa's escape pods as well as the Klingon Bird of Prey and Sarcophagus Ship.
     
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    I don't like the pod but really appreciate the BTS details.
     
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    I like the more TOS-style font used on the escape pods.
     
  7. Timo

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    The very Alien-like design appears a lot more primitive than the stuff we got in the 24th century, which is cool. Big, clumsy rocket nozzles pointing whichever way suggest sublight capabilities - but the thing also has a deflector, perhaps supporting warp capacity and allowing Saru to actually escape the Binaries, huddling the precious telescope all the way to Gamma Hydra...

    ...And giving us yet another reason to doubt the professional skills of our heroes. Previously, they encountered a debris field, which was but a classic submariners' trick and contained a nuclear surprise. If Romulan anonymity in the past war were due to them being truly efficient scuttlers of their own ships, this debris field should have been dismissed immediately as a trap, rather than studied as evidence for a kill!

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    The only reason to go into a debris field is to physically scoop up some of it. With sensors and transporter technology, there was no reason for Kirk to put the Enterprise directly into the debris (the nuclear warhead blew up 100 meters from the ship). Kirk was a fool. (Or, did the needs of the plot, out way the needs of the many?) :vulcan:
     
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  9. Timo

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    Well, Kirk had already once ventured into a debris field with the specific purpose of picking up physical bits and pieces, at what had been the Outpost. Perhaps finding out more about this mysterious enemy was worth the risk?

    Then again, we never learn that he would have driven into the first cloud of fake flotsam, the one without the nasty surprise. And the second one was specified to be "scattered across their path" - deliberately, but obviously not obviously so. The first, harmless cloud would thus feature into the tactical thinking of both Kirk and his Romulan counterpart here...

    Yet we do have evidence of Sulu slamming the brakes at a highly dubious relative location when confronted with this flotsam "scattered across" his path. If the ship weren't at relative standstill within touching distance of a dubiously compact cloud, the atomic mine or whatever would have pretty low odds of being "a hundred meters away" at the time of intercept. Unless, of course, it were actively homing, and turned on its powerful engines once the scanning beams revealed its original location five hundred kilometers away or so.

    Also, we should note that the atomic mine was there for scuttling purposes. Would there be a need if the AQS powerplant could be made to vaporize the ship, too? So our options are

    a) no AQS powerplant aboard
    b) AQS powerplant can't be used for scuttling, and the black hole will simply go "piffff" when the surrounding doodads are turned off or otherwise lost
    c) AQS powerplant was used for the eventual scuttling as the villains had already expended their backup? / primary? scuttling charge...

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  10. fireproof78

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    They always do.
     
  11. Tuskin38

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    Well, one of those, at any rate. Several ships appeared to be sowing drones in the fight, and there was quite a lot of variety: four nacelles with or without aft hull extension or rollbar, two ventral nacelles with rollbar, perhaps also without. It's too bad we still don't have a visual guide of some sort to the whole lot. Plenty of effort went into the adversary fleet there...

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  13. Tuskin38

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    Looks to be the same design Eaglemoss is doing.
     
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    Now that Eaglemoss is planning to sell certain "hero" STO ships in the near future, I suspect that their sharing of meshes with Cryptic has become a sound financial and wisely timesaving step to take for everyone involved.
     
  15. Tuskin38

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    Cryptic is given models from CBS, just like Eaglemoss is. There’s no need for them to share models.
     
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    Well, technically speaking, they are sharing models - CBS' models, like the S-31 and Disco designs, the soft-canon Titan and the Odyssey-class E-F. However, Nog's Chimera-class Heavy Destroyer and the Gagarin-class Battlecruiser are both strictly STO in origin and Eaglemoss is making them too. Hence, sharing, in all directions. :)
     
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  17. Gonzo

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    I like Nog and I like his ship.

    I also like the Odyssey class.

    That is all. :biggrin:
     
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  18. Tuskin38

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    I just meant that any show models the STO Dev team gets is from CBS.

    Though apparently there was an instance where CBS forgot to give the devs the texture for one ship, so they asked Eaglemoss to make high res renders of their model that did have textures for them to use as reference.

    Fun fact, they have to pick up the models from CBS on a hard drive, they're not transferred over the net. That's how protective they are with the assets. I assume that's also why Eaglemoss couldn't just mail them the missing textures.
     
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  19. Tuskin38

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    I'm in love

    So Dening started designing the DSC D7 by tracing over pictures of the T'Kinga model from the TOS movies. Changing it up while keeping the basic shape.
    It also says he was influenced by some of Eaves work done on Enterprise.
    [​IMG]

    Like Eaves made up his own lore when designing the Season 1 ships, Dening had headcanon the nacelles were modular, so they could easily be swapped out in 10 years for something that looks more TOS.
     
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    Strange that the trefoil is wrong (both side spikes are curved downward)