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Starship design history in light of Discovery

Timo said:
What I'm looking forward to is the booklets and their reproductions of the actual CGI. The market is already inundated with beautiful CGI takes on the Kelvin ships - but those are guesstimates, not the real deal, and what I would love to see is how much detail tweaking was done there, in addition to the cut-and-pasting of major components. Do all the ships have their phaser and plasma gun turrets in the same places? Are the bridges really repeats of each other? Did they do scale-appropriate adjustments when they turned the big two-nacelled ship behind the E-A into the tiny four-nacelled Yorktow police drones? Etc.

Timo Saloniemi
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I heard ILM lost the meshes for the 2009 background ships:rolleyes:. Hence Eaglemoss' USS Kobayahi Maru having very different proportions and paintwork, based on an early concept CG that survived.

I'd hazard that Tobias Richter's Newton, Mayflower, Armstrong etc models are close enough for satisfying Eaglemoss models.
 
King Daniel Beyond said:
I heard ILM lost the meshes for the 2009 background ships:rolleyes:. Hence Eaglemoss' USS Kobayahi Maru having very different proportions and paintwork, based on an early concept CG that survived.
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I remember hearing about this as well. I think I also remember losing my shit when I did, wondering if any of those people ever heard of making backups of their work on CD/DVD/BRD/tape/whatever. No excuse in this day and age not to take that extra relatively simple step to ensure something like that isn’t lost forever, if not for the single purpose of continuity in future projects. Fucking amateurs, if true. ILM should have known better.
 
King Daniel Beyond said:
I heard ILM lost the meshes for the 2009 background ships:rolleyes:. Hence Eaglemoss' USS Kobayahi Maru having very different proportions and paintwork, based on an early concept CG that survived.

I'd hazard that Tobias Richter's Newton, Mayflower, Armstrong etc models are close enough for satisfying Eaglemoss models.
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I have Richter’s pics of those ships. The only thing I think he got wrong was that he gave the Mayflower a Reliant-style weapons pod when the actual ship didn’t have one (He was probably basing his model on that inaccurate artwork someone posted earlier.)
 
NCC-73515 said:
There was at least one in the background somewhere

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Beautiful.
 
King Daniel Beyond said:
I heard ILM lost the meshes for the 2009 background ships:rolleyes:. Hence Eaglemoss' USS Kobayahi Maru having very different proportions and paintwork, based on an early concept CG that survived.

I'd hazard that Tobias Richter's Newton, Mayflower, Armstrong etc models are close enough for satisfying Eaglemoss models.
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How exactly does one lose something like that?
 
Dukhat said:
I have Richter’s pics of those ships. The only thing I think he got wrong was that he gave the Mayflower a Reliant-style weapons pod when the actual ship didn’t have one (He was probably basing his model on that inaccurate artwork someone posted earlier.)
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There are small things that may hint at bigger goofs, too: the nacelles of the Newton are upside down, say. That is, the surface detail on them is, particularly the blue-glowing "field windows".

It's too bad that we'll never know now: we can't take Richter's art and measure pixel by pixel how long exactly a specific ship might have been, or how tall the portholes really were, or how exactly (or whether) the shuttlebay interior of the Kelvin actually worked with the sets or the exterior.

Doesn't mean the ships wouldn't be pretty to look at. And odds are that there never was much detail or intent or, say, easter eggs beyond what we can see in the movies and in Richter's art. But there's hours if not years of fun to be had dissecting the imperfections of the TOS model, and we can't do that with the 2009 ships now.

Timo Saloniemi
 
Richter did the best he could with the material available. What’s more disturbing is the carelessness of the loss of the original CGI meshes.
 
If a fan hadn't taken them, all the Alien models would've been destroyed. I remember seeing a picture of a dumpster full of phasers and other props from TUC in a behind the scenes book. It apparently was/is normal procedure to destroy things after production has finished.
 
NCC-73515 said:
If a fan hadn't taken them, all the Alien models would've been destroyed. I remember seeing a picture of a dumpster full of phasers and other props from TUC in a behind the scenes book. It apparently was/is normal procedure to destroy things after production has finished.
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Yes, it is. Even in the Prequels the entire Jedi Council set was struck after filming of Episode 1, so most of Episode 2 council shots were recreated digitally.

Space is a premium in Hollywood and there is not the same type of sentimentality with these things as among fans.
 
NCC-73515 said:
If a fan hadn't taken them, all the Alien models would've been destroyed. I remember seeing a picture of a dumpster full of phasers and other props from TUC in a behind the scenes book. It apparently was/is normal procedure to destroy things after production has finished.
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fireproof78 said:
Hard drive crashes, data corruption, transferring of servers that goes poorly. These are usually fairly large files, which means transferring them doesn't always go perfectly.
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All of which could be mitigated through best-practices backup techniques. This was just damn careless and sloppy work.
 
Do any TrekBBS users here understand Klingon? I'm curious what Tyler called the 'D7' in Season 2 during its introduction.
The subtitles say D7 yes, but they could have easily just been for the audience. Can D7 even be translated into tlhIngan Hol?

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I found this site which is tracking the Klingon used in Discovery
http://klingon.wiki/En/DSC203

Tyler did literally say D7. "Day Soch"
 
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