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Rachel Lutrrells pregnancy kind of threw a wringer into the 4th season plot. And her husband? boyfriend? was not such a great actor; granted he was turned half-wraith by Michael, but still. I truly despised the whole Michael Arc; it went a long way towards burying SGA's ratings in the 4th and 5th seasons
 
When they have two characters interested in each other, I prefer either they get together, or they move on and find other romances. I hate the "Milk the sexual tension for several seasons" game.
 
Me too. Castle and Bones both proved that the show can continue and still be good after the characters got together.
 
I was a huge SG-1 fan. It was my first fandom. Before that, I wasn't even a sci-fi fan. At all. I only wanted to know what Richard Dean Anderson looked like now. I had not expected to so completely fall into love with this show and team. As someone mentioned before, the characters all had such great relationships with each other. And I would want to include Hammond and Janet into this as well.

When I watched TOS for the first time ever many years later I often had to smile as so many things reminded me of Stargate, when in truth it was the other way around of course. I always say the episode with the Horta could be a Stargate episode as well, with Jack trying to shoot it and Daniel trying to save it.

I came into SG-1 it in season 4 so had a lot to catch up with. My local video library had a sale of old videos and I bought some. They had two episodes each. That was before DVDs even existed. When the first of those came out in Germany, instead of giving us the full first season, someone up there decided which episodes were the best and which to leave out. That was weird. We got them all in the end but not in the right order. I later bought a proper box set with all seasons.

Stargate has so many firsts for me. First computer, first online forum, first conventions, first fanfictions, first action figures, first trip to the UK (to meet RDA, who had sworn to never do a convention in his life so nobody believed the organizers at first).

In fact, I learnt all my English by reading fanfictions. For years I sounded like a cranky Air Force Colonel.

I didn't like the direction the show took in seasons 9 and 10. I already did not like the epic cpace battles with space ships that began in season 6, that was not the show that I had signed up for. But when magic was introduced it lost me completely.

I also did not like how divided the fanbase had become, between old and new fans. When you come new into a show, at least have the decency to catch up and find out why it is so much loved. I came into X-files when Doggett started and then went back to see why everyone missed Mulder so much. But it hurts to read when some new fan asks who is Janet and some other new fan replies "I think she was some kind of doctor".

I watched Atlantis as well and liked it in the beginning but the way it later went I was glad when it ended and I did not need to bother anymore. I gave up on SGU some episodes in, figuring that I'm not forced to watch everything just because it has the Stargate sticker.

Nothing ever beat the mother show for me. They had a great mix of stand-alone episodes and a bigger story arc, and all the guest and recurring actors were nicely cast as well.

What people probably don't realize is how much RDA was doing behind the scenes as a producer. He was the one asking "How come" and send the writers back to the drawing board to fill the plot holes, trying to keep things realistic and not too over the top. Once he was gone, nobody was checking the writers anymore as they had become their own producers. And when fans complained, instead of listening they became snappy.

It simply did not make sense to make a rookie that had never been through the gate before the leader of SG-1. There were a lot of heated discussions at Gateworld at the time.

What used to be a good drama show with some humor became a comedy in its later years, and not a funny one. I didn't touch my DVDs nor figures for years afterwards as it had left a stale taste. But once you go back to the early seasons, you realize all over again why this show was so great.

They could have continued with new faces and new teams, I certainly would have watched on if the quality was the same.
 
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I agree that the added humour in seasons 8-10 wasn’t great. But it never completely turned me off from the show.
 
My issue with the later seasons is that the protagonists got too much power. In the first seasons they were winning epic ground battles with machine guns and staves, in the later seasons it was all about finding the next Ancient Weapon before the bad guy did.

Season 9 and 10 were one of the less effective repilots. Vala's overt sexuality was way over the top and Browder felt wooden and generic, and none of them ever had chemistry with the original characters. Then the premise was: "Hey, we spent eight years on the brink of apocalypse because we explored and got found by a big evil, but Earth is finally safe. Hey, let's go find ANOTHER big evil and start the cycle over again!"
 
I loved season 9 and 10 of SG-1 because of the Ori arc and the exploration of the underlying values of religion. It was interesting to follow ghe show’s exploration of how religion can be both good and evil. And the way it can be used to manipulate and coerce people.
 
Then the premise was: "Hey, we spent eight years on the brink of apocalypse because we explored and got found by a big evil, but Earth is finally safe. Hey, let's go find ANOTHER big evil and start the cycle over again!"

To be fair though, the characters did not do it on purpose. They find the Ori by accident.
 
To be fair though, the characters did not do it on purpose. They find the Ori by accident.

Yeah, that's the point, they found the gu'ald by accident too, and they literally *Just escaped that threat* a few months ago after eight years of coming within an inch of planetary destruction when they do the exact same thing again.
 
Yeah, that's the point, they found the gu'ald by accident too, and they literally *Just escaped that threat* a few months ago after eight years of coming within an inch of planetary destruction when they do the exact same thing again.

Yeah but what were they supposed to do? Just stay on Earth, bury the stargate and stay very quiet? They can't not explore for fear that they might accidentally find a threat somewhere. Heck, the universe is full of threats that will eventually find Earth sooner or later no matter what.
 
Yeah but what were they supposed to do? Just stay on Earth, bury the stargate and stay very quiet? They can't not explore for fear that they might accidentally find a threat somewhere. Heck, the universe is full of threats that will eventually find Earth sooner or later no matter what.

Exercise more caution and due diligence. And from an out of universe standpoint, the writers could have tried harder not to do the "Same thing again but with a stronger baddie" thing, and come up with a more inventive way to move forward.
 
It was interesting to follow ghe show’s exploration of how religion can be both good and evil.
I didn't really get that impression. The whole Ori storyline seems very anti-religious. It's basically medieval Christianity/Catholicism in space. The Ori themselves are the closest thing to actual "gods" we've seen in the franchise, to the point they actually get their powers from people praying to them, and are defeated when their worshippers are brainwashed to stop believing in them.
 
I didn't really get that impression. The whole Ori storyline seems very anti-religious. It's basically medieval Christianity/Catholicism in space. The Ori themselves are the closest thing to actual "gods" we've seen in the franchise, to the point they actually get their powers from people praying to them, and are defeated when their worshippers are brainwashed to stop believing in them.
I agree with that interpretation also. That’s what I think is interesting. I am not a very religious person and I see religion as something someone has made up to gain power over people. And the politics behind religion is IMO also a way to gain power. That’s how I see the Ori.
The priors could very well have been any religious zealots out there, following a path they believe is right and good even though it might not be. Then the question wether doing very bad things because you believe it’s the right thing to do comes up. This conundrum is what makes the Ori arc interesting to me.
 
Then the question wether doing very bad things because you believe it’s the right thing to do comes up.
I do remember the episode in the final season which sort of deals with that. Vala is reunited with her husband who is part of the Ori army forces occupying the planet of the week. The episode deals with the issue of misinterpreting or even reinterpreting the words of a holy text to justify doing horrible things. While that itself is a fine issue applicable to both historical events and current events in the real world, it doesn't really work in this setting. The Priors aren't doing what they do because of an interpretation of their Book of Origin, they're doing it because they really are in direct contact with the Ori themselves, in other words their gods, who are telling them to slaughter non-believers and burn them at the stake. Which kind of makes it rather irrelevant whether what's written in the Book of Origin truly justifies committing atrocities or not, we know this is what the gods these people worship want.
 
I loved season 9 and 10 of SG-1 because of the Ori arc and the exploration of the underlying values of religion. It was interesting to follow ghe show’s exploration of how religion can be both good and evil. And the way it can be used to manipulate and coerce people.
I can see and understand that point, and others share it too, also explained it that way at the time.

I personally just simply don't have any love for Fantasy, wizards, magic, dragons (there was a dragon once, right?) and other things that cannot be explained. I don't remember much from these episodes, but I remember once a wall grew that hadn't been there a minute before, sealing them into a cave. How is Carter supposed to fight magic with normal technology? It's impossible. And therefore I cannot believe in it, and I am bored.

Machine guns and Jaffa with staff weapons are just more authentic than a guy waving his hand doing whatever he wants to do.

It's what put me off watching TOS for a long time too. I sometimes happened to stumble about episodes on TV, but all I remember is Kirk & Co. stumbling around with weird expressions, being under an evil mind control. I was feeling bad for those poor actors having to do such stupid things.
 
I've always loved season 9 and 10, partially because ben Bowder and Claudia Black are great in it (even better then they were in Farscape). Honestly as much as I love SG-1 and its characters overall, I was glad when RDA left and Bowder came in, it felt like something the show needed at that point, and Bowder and Black mixed up the team dynamic in a good way.
 
I loved SG-1 for the most part and was invested in SGU. Atlantis never grabbed me. Oddly enough, my partner loves Atlantis and isn't a big fan of the other two. SG-1 wasn't the same without RDA and the reliance on deus ex machina ancient weapons got tedious at the end.

SGU was frustrating. I loved the characters and the different take. As a BSG fan it was pretty obvious what they were trying to pull off. But it never quite hit it's stride. The concept of The Ancients finding evidence of intelligent design had me intrigued. Anyway, my favorite scene from SGU:

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So far as favorite SG-1 moment? SO many, but the first that popped into my head was...

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I finally made it through season one of SG-1 last night. There were certainly a couple rough episodes throughout the season, but that's to be expected with the first. They need to find out what works and what doesn't

But overall I thought it was great and am looking forward to getting into the series. The final cliffhanger episode was great, and there was Armin Shimerman making an appearance in The Nox episode.
 
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