Well, that's largely because of a lack of balls on the part of the writers. They committed an act of war against Earth in their very first appearance but that has not been followed up on.
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Well, that's largely because of a lack of balls on the part of the writers. They committed an act of war against Earth in their very first appearance but that has not been followed up on.
What's sad is that it would take so little to give them so much more depth. Think about it. These are basically the only bonafide allies (other than the now defunct Athosians) the Atlantis team has in Pegasus and yet we know next to nothing about them, other than Larrin.
Let's say Ronin was to have a throwaway line like: "You know, these Travelers always manage to show up just in the nick of time. There's something suspicious about that. I don't know, Shep. I don't trust them."
And for one time before the series quits, can we please have them talk to each other. They almost never do, except to coldly bark orders. For instance, after the Random Hot Traveler Captain swoops in for the rescue, trumpets a'blarin, we get:
Random Traveler Dude: "Captain, many in the council still believe that these impostors are responsible for this. It is a well known fact that they experiment with Ancestor technology, often irresponsibly."
Random Hot Traveler Captain: "What are you trying to say?"
RTD: "That we shouldn't be helping them. If anything, it should be us down there, in command of Atlantis. I mean, how much rope are we going to give them to hang us? First the Replicators, now this? I say we take Atlantis and deal with this problem ourselves."
RHTC: "And how would you propose we do that? We only have one ship. My ship. What chance do we stand against an entire city."
RTD: "Larrin is not as trusting as you are of these outsiders. There is a way and we have trained for it. Perhaps..."
RHTC: "Enough!! I have given my word to Sheppard. I said we would help them and we will help them."
RTD: "<sighs>...Of course, captain. Helm, initiate landing procedures. <glares at captain>... Why do you trust these people?"
RHTC: "Don't mistake my lack of pension for stabbing people in the back for blind trust, [RTD]. I don't trust them any more than you do. I just know how to pick my battles. The time for challenging their hold on Atlantis is not now. Even Larrin knows that....or at least she should"
That or something to that effect could, in only a few minutes, give orders of magnitude more depth to the Travelers and actually make them interesting. I don't think it would take any guts to do it. Just a little foresight.Random Hot Traveler Captain: "What are you trying to say?"
RTD: "That we shouldn't be helping them. If anything, it should be us down there, in command of Atlantis. I mean, how much rope are we going to give them to hang us? First the Replicators, now this? I say we take Atlantis and deal with this problem ourselves."
RHTC: "And how would you propose we do that? We only have one ship. My ship. What chance do we stand against an entire city."
RTD: "Larrin is not as trusting as you are of these outsiders. There is a way and we have trained for it. Perhaps..."
RHTC: "Enough!! I have given my word to Sheppard. I said we would help them and we will help them."
RTD: "<sighs>...Of course, captain. Helm, initiate landing procedures. <glares at captain>... Why do you trust these people?"
RHTC: "Don't mistake my lack of pension for stabbing people in the back for blind trust, [RTD]. I don't trust them any more than you do. I just know how to pick my battles. The time for challenging their hold on Atlantis is not now. Even Larrin knows that....or at least she should"
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Earth has no central government so they couldn't have declared war on earth, if anything we invaded their space. Of course more knowledge of the Travellers is now impossible unless they're put into a future movie but they only have 42 minutes to tell a story and alot gets cut.
^Earth, as represented in Stargate Atlantis, does have a central authority - the IOA. As far as we know the IOA is still at war with the Lucian Alliance.
The Travelers do not have any "space". They live on ships that purposefully do not stay anywhere for long. Sheppard was resupplying a research station on a planet inhabited by a primitive tribe. Since McKay made jokes about that tribe's lack of social inhibitions it appears they must have had contact with that tribe and had been welcomed.
Larrin's ship appeared only as Sheppard was leaving and only then because she had purposefully placed listening satellites in orbit around various worlds to search for signs of Ancient technology in the hopes that they would be able to find someone who would be able to activate their Ancient ship.
I agree with QCzar - a bit more dialogue between them would give them more depth.
The Travelers do not have any "space". They live on ships that purposefully do not stay anywhere for long. Sheppard was resupplying a research station on a planet inhabited by a primitive tribe. Since McKay made jokes about that tribe's lack of social inhibitions it appears they must have had contact with that tribe and had been welcomed.
Larrin's ship appeared only as Sheppard was leaving and only then because she had purposefully placed listening satellites in orbit around various worlds to search for signs of Ancient technology in the hopes that they would be able to find someone who would be able to activate their Ancient ship.
I agree with QCzar - a bit more dialogue between them would give them more depth.
It was humanity that started the recent conflict in the Pegasus galaxy and the IOA would have alot to answer to if the SGC went public but then so would the SGC for that matter.
^Maybe so.
You could argue, for instance, that the Coalition attacking Iraq was them starting the conflict. That does not mean that if a third party attacks the Coalition that is not an act of war against them.
I think I said elsewhere, the awakening of the Wraith was an accident and not a purposeful act. The Travelers attacking and imprisoning Sheppard was a deliberate act.
You could argue, for instance, that the Coalition attacking Iraq was them starting the conflict. That does not mean that if a third party attacks the Coalition that is not an act of war against them.
I think I said elsewhere, the awakening of the Wraith was an accident and not a purposeful act. The Travelers attacking and imprisoning Sheppard was a deliberate act.
Well if Shep hadn't been there in the first place it wouldn't have happened and it made little sense IMO for Shep to delievering supplies in puddle jumper and he was along at that. another mistake.
doubleohfive
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Maybe I missed it --- did they ever actually explain how Sheppard and Zelenka survived that blast?
The planet had a space gate. How else was he supposed to deliver the supplies ? Should they send the Daedalus ? What if the research team needed to leave in an emergency ?
A supply run is not typically a job for the entire team. I'd expect McKay at the very least to be annoyed at having to divert time from his research despite the alleged "open mindedness" of the natives. I don't often say this, but neither Sheppard nor the Atlantis expedition did anything wrong aside from what I'd call a fairly major Prime Directive violation, but this isn't Star Trek.
They could've used the Daedalus it's well armed and it has a transporter, flying alone in a puddle jumper is jsut asking for trouble. And oddly enough upon learning about Larrin, Rodney regretted not going with him.
^They have three Daedalus-class ships. Only one is assigned to the Pegasus galaxy and that spends its time flying backwards and forwards between galaxies. Yes, there's an argument that they should go everywhere in force, but they have limited resources.
It's this simple. Sheppard's Puddle Jumper was flying through friendly space. The Travellers attacked his ship and took him prisoner without provocation. That is an act of war and the IOA invites further attacks by condoning it.
It's this simple. Sheppard's Puddle Jumper was flying through friendly space. The Travellers attacked his ship and took him prisoner without provocation. That is an act of war and the IOA invites further attacks by condoning it.
All Seeing Eye
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Which is why the SGC should arrange for puddle jumpers to be upgraded with weapons. Puddle jumpers don't have enough drones and a lot of them have already run out and have none to fire. The jumpers shouldn't have Asgard tech though, maybe they could have Naquadah enhanced nukes, a miniature rail gun and a Goa'uld energy weapon taken from either a Glider or an Alkesh.
It makes me wonder why the SGC don't build their own puddle jumpers.
All Seeing Eye
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Yes only just digging but if they've dug far enough to be able to place Asgard weapons, shields and sensors on the other two Daedalus class ships i'm sure they've dug deep enough to build their own puddle jumper.
doubleohfive
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^^Sheppard's manly back deflected shards of glass and debris moving at high velocity blast speeds.
LAME.
The other Daedalus-class ships already had the shields, sensors and the hyperdrive. The Asgard helped install them. The Asgard were moving us forward slowly making sure we understood each advance.
With the Ori threat, the weapons must have been a priority.
All Seeing Eye
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Ah ha! gotcha now buddy!
Read it and weep. 
In the episode "The Last Man" we see the new Daedalus class ship the Phoenix which is constructed long after the death of the Asgard therefore Earth knows precisely how to build Asgard shields, sensors, hyperdrive and weapons. We know that Earth has known how to build anti-gravity since the construction of the Prometheus class since this ship took off from Earths surface (before any Asgard upgrades were added) and all the other Daedalus class ships have landed and took off from one of the piers of Atlantis.
Just having the knowledge to build the shields, sensors, anti-gravity and weapons is enough for a puddle jumper, the puddle jumper wouldn't necessarily need Asgard weapons like I said, it could have a mini rail gun, Naquadah enhanced nukes, regular missiles and Goa'uld energy weapons from a glider or Alkesh, it could also be made entirely of Trinium making it extremely durable. How hard could it be to build there own DHD inside? they already have the ancient puddle jumpers to look at and back engineer.
Earth could easily build a puddle jumper and it would make sense to have them in the Milky Way aswell, it would be a lot safer for them to send a malp, see if the gate on the otherside is outside and go through in a jumper.
^No, I have got you.
Prior to the construction of the Phoenix, Earth had constructed the Prometheus, Daedalus, Apollo and the Korolev. The Asgard have taught them well. They already know about the technologies involved, they already know how to build all of the things you mention. They just had more help before.
Earth possibly could build a small Puddle Jumper-like craft. The main issue is reducing the size of the hybrid Earth/Asgard versions of the technologies involved. Reproducing Goa'uld weapons designs has not proven to be all that easy. See "Avenger 2.0", for instance, otherwise they would have fitted those weapons to the F-302s by now.
Prior to the construction of the Phoenix, Earth had constructed the Prometheus, Daedalus, Apollo and the Korolev. The Asgard have taught them well. They already know about the technologies involved, they already know how to build all of the things you mention. They just had more help before.
Earth possibly could build a small Puddle Jumper-like craft. The main issue is reducing the size of the hybrid Earth/Asgard versions of the technologies involved. Reproducing Goa'uld weapons designs has not proven to be all that easy. See "Avenger 2.0", for instance, otherwise they would have fitted those weapons to the F-302s by now.
All Seeing Eye
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That doesn't make any difference, it doesn't matter how it was prior to the Phoenix, the fact they can build the Phoenix without the Asgard around proves they have a great understanding of it all.
I would have thought miniaturising the tech would be quite straight forward and easy, just sticking McKay on the job alone would sort that out. The miniaturisation would obviously make them weaker than their Daedalus counterparts but they'd still be more than effective due to the level of the tech.
I didn't mean to reproduce them, now the Goa'uld are gone there's a Galaxy full of Goa'uld ships and tech laying around, they could surely find a crashed Glider or Alkesh somewhere to take a weapon or two and i'm sure the people of the new Jaffa nation would be more than happy to give a few of the weapons to the Tau'ri for all the help they gave.
EDIT: Thinking about it the weapons on a glider unlike an Alkesh seem nothing more than Staff weapons attached to the wings and don't seem to be any more powerful, so just connecting a couple of Staff weapons to the jumper would give an effective energy weapon.
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