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Stargate Atlantis - Lost Tribe (4x11) Grading Thread

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That sucked. Enterprise sucked. Caldwell disappeared from his own ship. Todd disappeared from the plot. The Love Triangle fizzled out in a stupendously stupid way, making us all hate Keller even more. Shep and the new Traveler was way better than Shep and Larrin, but the writers kept mentioned her.

But on top of all that, they took a beloved, awesome SG-1 race and made them impotent bad guys.

F.
 
I voted *good*...

Not as good as the first part, mainly for two reasons:
- I do not care much for the Aasgard
- Once they were revealed, they were defeated or chased away WAY TOO EASY.

But still some good stuff in there. And I'd very much rather have the new 'traveller' chick back than Larryn. (sp?)

I wonder if the temporary stargate network disturbance will have much of an effect. Quite a lot of stargates should have been knocked out. I will be *very* disappointed if we don't hear more about that in the future.


Seems like all the Traveler women are nice looking. Selective breeding I'll wager.
 
I just watched the episode and with the risk of having to possibly, retroactively amend my opinion, at the moment my general assessment falls along the lines of "That royally sucked."

More to follow later.
 
Well we don't know if all of the Ancients left the Milkey Way when Atlantis did so the ones that remained could've been the ones that started the allience with the other races.
They're said on the show that the ancients who stayed either died of the plague, or ascended.

But they only left Atlantis 10,000 years ago and there's more than one city ship out there so I don't think they all left our galaxy at the same time.
I seem to recall the Goa'uld were in power by then, and the ancients went in to hiding, or acended. I'm not actually all that bothered, it just struck me as a low number, but I suppose he could be talking about the Asgard in the Pegasus galaxy
 
They're said on the show that the ancients who stayed either died of the plague, or ascended.

But they only left Atlantis 10,000 years ago and there's more than one city ship out there so I don't think they all left our galaxy at the same time.
I seem to recall the Goa'uld were in power by then, and the ancients went in to hiding, or acended. I'm not actually all that bothered, it just struck me as a low number, but I suppose he could be talking about the Asgard in the Pegasus galaxy

That would have to mean the war with the Wraith went for over 90,000 years then since they only went to Pegasus once the war between the Wraith and Ancients was joined and both were too busy to do anything about them. I was under the impression the war with the Wraith only went for centuries.
 
But they only left Atlantis 10,000 years ago and there's more than one city ship out there so I don't think they all left our galaxy at the same time.
I seem to recall the Goa'uld were in power by then, and the ancients went in to hiding, or acended. I'm not actually all that bothered, it just struck me as a low number, but I suppose he could be talking about the Asgard in the Pegasus galaxy

That would have to mean the war with the Wraith went for over 90,000 years then since they only went to Pegasus once the war between the Wraith and Ancients was joined and both were too busy to do anything about them. I was under the impression the war with the Wraith only went for centuries.
True... I guess they just forgot the timeline. I mean there is 12, or so, years worth of story line to keep straight, so it wouldn't be difficult.
 
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Daniel-hey nice suit
 
Average. The Asgard revelation wasn't very interesting (I was hoping for something really unexpected and cool) and there was NO explanation how Shep & Zelenka survived the blast, not even Zelenka reforming the power bubble around the two of them or some such excuse.

I guess they couldn't get the Larin actress back for this ep, huh?
Glad I wasn't the only one who caught the (subtle?) Firefly reference.

Subtle like a piano dropped on your head, sure. :lol:
 
Yeah, constantly referring to a character that's not there is just a reminder that you couldn't get the actor back.

Like an earlier episode with "Weir". Funny, how that works.
 
Another thought. How advanced could these Asgard be if a Travelers ship destroyed two of theirs? Or were those ancient Ancient ships? They looked like overgrown jumpers to me. What do you think?

Good point, maybe the ships the Asgard were using were left over Ancient ships, very ancient Ancient ships, like maybe an early model, hence their ability to enter the Atlantis shield, cause remember it was mentioned that Ancient ships can enter the shield in the previous episode. Still, they seemed very weak even if they were Ancient ships, unbelievably weak for either being Ancient or Asgard ships.
 
They also mentioned that they avoided others. It could be that the ships weren't made for battle, or were simply out of repair.
 
I do agree that Daniel should have told the Asgard that hey, we have Intergalactic capability and can set you up on a safe world back in the Milky Way galaxy, or even the Ida galaxy if they'd rather, and totally get away from the Wraith and have no need to use the device at all then.
 
Did anyone notice how Todd seemed to say that he was around during the war against the Ancients?


I was kind of surprised to see the implication that he - and therefore, other Wraith - can live for so long...
 
Did anyone notice how Todd seemed to say that he was around during the war against the Ancients?


I was kind of surprised to see the implication that he - and therefore, other Wraith - can live for so long...
Beckett said in Rising that he didn't see a "Creature like this ever dying from natural causes."
 
I liked it. I wish I wasn't spoiled by the Asgard revelation a few weeks back through that presumably Sci-Fi promo clip.

I thought the ships that our heroes were fighting at the end were Ancient in technology. They looked a LOT like puddle jumpers. I also thought they were just drones stationed around the planet (However, this is just conjecture...I don't think there was dialog suggesting anything like that) while the other ship that left the planet went into Hyperspace to escape.
 
Average and typical. Way too many plot-holes to enjoy it the whole way through. SGA is getting very Voyager-esque with people constantly, and with great ease, commandeering the Daedalus. The Asgard were extremely unappealing. They were never very appealing, actually. Noble, yes. But about as exciting as wallpaper. Their draw for me came from their unique relationship (Thor's in particular) with SG1.

That element, and thus the true depth of Asgard presence, was totally absent here. It's another Voyager neuters the Borg scenario, with all the expected anti-climax that entails. It's trite and uninspired. All the effects that went into it would have been better served either A) giving some more meat to an existing SGA race (like maybe the Travelers, imagine if it were them in those suits), or B) creating a new, compelling final villain.

As it is, we end up with empty suits after all.

SGA needed to grow up and become its own show, but it shows with moves like these that they are intimidated at the thought of standing on their own. As others have mentioned, I enjoyed seeing Daniel again, but it was all pretty bland. The interplay between he and McKay was, at best, cutesy. Daniel is not the purely comic relief character (or at least, far less so) that McKay is and has never excelled in that space without O'Neill or Vala. Him calling out the Asgard on their shit was the only genuine Daniel moment.

The Travelers (aka Hot Plot-Device Alien Chicks) are an utter waste of space and constantly end up looking like space faring Genii, only even more cardboard-like. Can anyone tell me what exactly do Travelers do (and I'll smack the first one who says "travel"), other than show up just in the nick of time™? Have we ever had any serious political and dramatic tension built up with that faction?

This worked so much better with the [real]Asgard because of said dramatic cues and because we, in essence, could value their presence. Same with the Tok'ra or Nox. Hell, even Todd's occasional bouts of seeming altruism have more meat. We knew they were making real sacrifices to help us because we knew them.

So when they come to the rescue, it's like "YES!!!". With the Travelers, it's more like "Who?". They'd have done better to just make them space Genii.

The resolution seems like a DEM and cop-out, to me. Nothing surprising, considering. But with all the shit that was thrown at the fan, you'd think they'd at least try to make it a little grittier. It's a deus ex machina because the only way for our heroes to win is to arbitrarily weaken the villains. It's a cop-out because it makes everything the protagonists did "right", so their actions have no consequences.

Wash. Rinse. Repeat.
 
Was it me, or did the Asgard Leader sound a lot like Thor, only talking faster. I didn't see the end credits, but did Michael Shanks provide the voice for him?
 
^^ This is unconfirmed, but at the Gateworld board, a poster mentioned that the Asgard was voiced by Robert Picardo. There was no immediate refuting of that (which would normally happen to such speculation) , but I'm still waiting for some official identification.
MS is always credited in the end titles for Thor, even during the year he wasn't a regular, There was no credit given for the voice actor of the little grey dude in the end titles.
 
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