News Starfleet Academy Coming to P+

[fireproof78]

I'm talking about them already being part of the way up the ladder compared to Kim.

I get that but it still stands out to me as highly inconsistent, since I would consider committing a crime against an institution to be career suicide. Not that Starfleet is ever portrayed as consistent.

I just don't see Kim as being more unable to move up in Starfleet, especially a Starfleet gutted post Dominion War.

 

[BillJ]

I just don't see Kim as being more unable to move up in Starfleet, especially a Starfleet gutted post Dominion War.

After seven years of being lost, maybe he simply doesn't want to take that chance again? All kinds of things can motivate us to change how we think.

I tend to like the idea that some of the crew simply left Starfleet. Kim could've cashed in his back pay and went opened a music school somewhere.

 

[cooleddie74]

McCoy retired however briefly after the end of the five-year mission in 2270 and so did Spock but they were largely the exception. I don't see why every crew of a show we watch and like has to stay in Starfleet after series' end. In real life not everyone in a group of seven to nine officers would remain in uniform at the end of a war or crisis.

 

[fireproof78]

After seven years of being lost, maybe he simply doesn't want to take that chance again? All kinds of things can motivate us to change how we think.

I tend to like the idea that some of the crew simply left Starfleet. Kim could've cashed in his back pay and went opened a music school somewhere.

Again, I don't disagree. The presenting point was that Kim was damaged goods and couldn't be promoted. It's crazy to me to think about.

 

[BillJ]

The presenting point was that Kim was damaged goods and couldn't be promoted. It's crazy to me to think about.

Would just be which officer orbits he ended up in?

 

[evilchumlee]

Again, I don't disagree. The presenting point was that Kim was damaged goods and couldn't be promoted. It's crazy to me to think about.

Not so much that he was "damaged goods" or "couldn't be promoted", just that Starfleet actually wasn't the right fit for him. There's nothing wrong with that, and had he not been on Voyager, it would have become more apparent earlier.

He's not damaged, he's just impulsive, emotional, and somewhat of a maverick. It's odd to think about, as Kim was supposed to be the good little junior model Starfleet officer but... he's WAY more of a wildcard than even Paris is.

He's really just not a good fit for Starfleet. I don't see why that makes someone "damaged goods". There's a ton of people who aren't a fit for the real world military who are great people who do great things...

 

[fireproof78]

Not so much that he was "damaged goods" or "couldn't be promoted", just that Starfleet actually wasn't the right fit for him. There's nothing wrong with that, and had he not been on Voyager, it would have become more apparent earlier.

He's not damaged, he's just impulsive, emotional, and somewhat of a maverick. It's odd to think about, as Kim was supposed to be the good little junior model Starfleet officer but... he's WAY more of a wildcard than even Paris is.

He's really just not a good fit for Starfleet. I don't see why that makes someone "damaged goods". There's a ton of people who aren't a fit for the real world military who are great people who do great things...

I just don't see the poor fit as you do.

 

[Wouter]

https://collider.com/star-trek-starfleet-academy-filming-window-episode-count/

From that link:
"There's a lot of different kids from a lot of different places. Some of them want to be there, some of them don’t want to be there"

That's quite surprising. Some of them don't want to be there? What, are they under heavy pressure from society/family or is there a draft of some sort?

During TNG, Starfleet Academy had such lofty standards that even a genius like Wesley was "not good enough, damnit!". More recently, the Protogies didn't get in in spite of some serious credentials, like repairing their torpedo damaged experimental starship on their own. People are/were fighting for rare places.

While the TNG depiction of the Academy is over the top (how does someone like Wesley not get in!? the directors who invented those rules were probably Romulan or Cardassian infiltrators), now having multiple people being there against their own wishes, that's something else.

Could be interesting, but wonder just how that "don't want to be there" will be used and explained in practice.

 

[F. King Daniel]

Just look at SNW, Uhura didn't want to be there at first. And there's loads of possibilities for peer pressure or alien societal expectations putting people there.

Plus we don't know the requirements for 32nd century SFA. It could be the over-the-top TNG requirements, or it could be the ST'09 version where they recruit from bar fights. It could even take inspiration from Shatner's academy novel where Kirk stole an aircar and had 2 options: Juvenile hall or joining SFA.

 

[fireproof78]

That's quite surprising. Some of them don't want to be there? What, are they under heavy pressure from society/family or is there a draft of some sort?

Need. They are building the Federation back up and need more officers and candidates to fill in billets. Of course there will be pressure to serve, and a "needs of the many outweigh the needs of the view" type attitude can be thrown around for various angles.

There are enough examples of officers and cadets not wanting to be there to work with this without an issue to my mind.

 

[BillJ]

This is going to be so dull... it will make Discovery look like a thrill ride.

 

[fireproof78]

 

[Wouter]

Need. They are building the Federation back up and need more officers and candidates to fill in billets.

There are enough examples of officers and cadets not wanting to be there to work with this without an issue to my mind.

So going in the direction of a draft, or at least aggressive recruitment as King Daniel alluded to?

Examples, besides Uhura and maybe Tuvok, of officers and cadets who don't really want to be there?

 

[Cr0sis21]

As far as Wesley is concerned:
I always hated that. The Writer's painted themselves into a corner making him such a genius. From a Canon perspective, it only makes sense if you assume Wesley was continuously failing the psychological portion, which makes some sense if we consider he's a 16-year-old only child with no friends.
I can see the story benefits of having someone there who's only there because their family wants it (Which is where it looked like Jake Sisko was headed at first). Or misfits like Nog, Worf, etc.
There is some potential for an Academy series. I am just skeptical that it will be fully utilized.

 

[StarMan]

Wait, what? 2026? Paramount+ might be dead and buried long before then. Not to mention two years of waning interest in a show premise that nobody asked for to begin with. Are they now taking cues from the Kelvin timeline films?

And even if P+ does survive, the next two years will be just, what? SNW and LDS?

So much for 'Star Trek: Legacy," all you Matalas-worshippers.

I'm of the fringe opinion that things should be allowed to end. 1966 - current day is a pretty good run.

Honestly, I think it's played out. This younger contingent of new fans Academy will supposedly appeal to is a pipe dream.

As for P+ - yeah, it doesn't seem likely to survive into '26.

 

[Cr0sis21]

I'm of the fringe opinion that things should be allowed to end. 1966 - current day is a pretty good run.

Honestly, I think it's played out. This younger contingent of new fans Academy will supposedly appeal to is a pipe dream.

As for P+ - yeah, it doesn't seem likely to survive into '26.

Agreed about P+, but as for the rest? To quote Gene Roddenberry, "My God, our basis is the universe. " how can we ever legitimately run out of stories to tell?

 

[fireproof78]

Examples, besides Uhura and maybe Tuvok, of officers and cadets who don't really want to be there?

On Voyager, there was thr cosmologist who joined because he needed it for getting a specific academic posting. Sam Kirk feels a lot like he's there because of Sam Sr.

I'm sure there are other examples but those two spring to my mind.

I'm of the fringe opinion that things should be allowed to end. 1966 - current day is a pretty good run.

Honestly, I think it's played out. This younger contingent of new fans Academy will supposedly appeal to is a pipe dream.

As for P+ - yeah, it doesn't seem likely to survive into '26.

Ok. Cool.

 

[DaveyNY]

I know I'm probably in the minority, but I would rather see a Romulan War series.
An academy series screams The Archies or 90210 to me, neither of which I have any interests in.
(The Archies entertained me when I was 11 & 90210 was never on my watch list)

 

[Farscape One]

I know I'm probably in the minority, but I would rather see a Romulan War series.
An academy series screams The Archies or 90210 to me, neither of which I have any interests in.
(The Archies entertained me when I was 11 & 90210 was never on my watch list)

Then we're both in the minority.

 

[HotRod]

I know I'm probably in the minority, but I would rather see a Romulan War series.

Then we're both in the minority.