News Starfleet Academy Coming to P+

[cooleddie74]

As someone with more than 3,000 Star Wars action figures I can attest that this is more an adult collecting hobby now than it used to be but don't discount the kids who still fill their rooms with toys of the newest pop culture crazes. Toys still sell by the boatloads and it's not ALL twenty- and fortysomethings swooping into stores at 8 in the morning and buying everything before the lunchtime crowds hit.

 

[Dukhat]

As someone with more than 3,000 Star Wars action figures I can attest that this is more an adult collecting hobby now than it used to be but don't discount the kids who still fill their rooms with toys of the newest pop culture crazes. Toys still sell by the boatloads and it's not ALL twenty- and fortysomethings swooping into stores at 8 in the morning and buying everything before the lunchtime crowds hit.

Well if you need anymore, let me know. I'm selling off all my SW figures from the '90's.

 

[fireproof78]

As someone with more than 3,000 Star Wars action figures I can attest that this is more an adult collecting hobby now than it used to be but don't discount the kids who still fill their rooms with toys of the newest pop culture crazes. Toys still sell by the boatloads and it's not ALL twenty- and fortysomethings swooping into stores at 8 in the morning and buying everything before the lunchtime crowds hit.

I just buy used ones now since I will use them and customize them. Probably not at 3000 but I got a fair chunk.

 

[MikHutch]

This is not accurate.

2023 and 2024.

I didn't realize

 

[evilchumlee]

I have a 5 year old nephew. He definitely enjoys toys.

BUT I will say he tends to like certain types of toys. I don't think it's quite like the old days where kids will buy up action figures from every random big hollywood release or TV show. He actually prefers less "action figure" type things and more immersive type things. He likes Ghostbusters, but he doesn't want action figures. He wants the suit, and the proton pack, etc. He likes Marvel stuff, but he doesn't want figures, he wants Hulk hands and an Iron Man mask and stuff.

 

[Cr0sis21]

Ya fiction was successful but there haven't been many recent live action adaptations

It is successful, but I've often been disappointed with how many adults are just gobbling them up. Like they never moved past the cartoons and Harry Potter level of fiction.
It dawned on me when I was in one of my graduate creative writing classes, and a majority of the 25-35 year old were still reading things like The Maze Runner and The Hunger Games. Not that they're bad books necessarily, but...ah, I dunno. I guess I'm just old.

 

[fireproof78]

It is successful, but I've often been disappointed with how many adults are just gobbling them up. Like they never moved past the cartoons and Harry Potter level of fiction.

Curious.

Do they need to? There is a theory in psychology that the harder the work, the more simple the play needed. Many adults engage in strenuous work of some kind, be at home, at their job, or in other capacities. A simpler story might appeal more than others.

And I've read everything from YA fiction to Dickens, but I often times find myself enjoying smaller stories with my teens.

 

[Cr0sis21]

Curious.

Do they need to? There is a theory in psychology that the harder the work, the more simple the play needed. Many adults engage in strenuous work of some kind, be at home, at their job, or in other capacities. A simpler story might appeal more than others.

And I've read everything from YA fiction to Dickens, but I often times find myself enjoying smaller stories with my teens.

It depends. If that's ALL you read/watch/enjoy? I think it's indicative of another issue.
I still read comic books. They're fun. But I feel like if you only ever read comics or something meant to be simpler for a more introductory audience, you'll stagnate intellectually. It's like if you're weightlifting and you only ever use one weight.
I might be a little judgmental on that, I realize, but I do get aggravated when I feel like people are stagnating themselves in such a way.

 

[fireproof78]

It depends. If that's ALL you read/watch/enjoy? I think it's indicative of another issue.
I still read comic books. They're fun. But I feel like if you only ever read comics or something meant to be simpler for a more introductory audience, you'll stagnate intellectually. It's like if you're weightlifting and you only ever use one weight.
I might be a little judgmental on that, I realize, but I do get aggravated when I feel like people are stagnating themselves in such a way.

I get that, and I use to think that way. I was appalled by what my peers and older adults read as a teen, while I was reading Shakespeare, Homer, Hawthorne, etc.

But, then, I realize that reading is not the only way to grow intellectually. I would have deep conversations with people who didn't read at all, and grow to appreciate their points of view. Many intellectuals I know now don't read as much as they listen, take in various videos on or podcasts on topics, and explore ideas that way.

I can be very judgmental and I'll own that, but I think the bigger reality is that reading is not the only pathway to growth.

 

[evilchumlee]

I tend to not judge anyone for their choice of entertainment. I can appreciate more mature works, but I often find myself finding other types of things more enjoyable.

There is a certain "type" for me that I like though, less YA and more just like, schlock. YA stuff is usually somewhat groan inducing from me when it comes to the awkwardly shoehorned in teenybopper romance plots. No thank you.

I tend to not like things like classic literature. I blame it on being forced to read Wuthering Heights in high school.

 

[Farscape One]

I get that, and I use to think that way. I was appalled by what my peers and older adults read as a teen, while I was reading Shakespeare, Homer, Hawthorne, etc.

But, then, I realize that reading is not the only way to grow intellectually. I would have deep conversations with people who didn't read at all, and grow to appreciate their points of view. Many intellectuals I know now don't read as much as they listen, take in various videos on or podcasts on topics, and explore ideas that way.

I can be very judgmental and I'll own that, but I think the bigger reality is that reading is not the only pathway to growth.

Very true. I bolded the part I especially agree with.

To give an example: my grandmother was the smartest person I have ever known in my life. And she didn't graduate high school. She was also extremely perceptive... probably the best listener ever.

I have also known college graduates who are... how do I put this? About as smart as a brick.

The point? Intelligence comes in all forms and methods. Some learn more from reading. Some from experience. Others, just by listening and observing. There's countless ways you can grow your brain.

 

[Noname Given]

...And yeah, if Paramount DID want to Legacy, it's not going to be a thing for several years. Hell, they WANTED to do Section 31 from the jump in 2017... it took almost a decade.

Actually it was Michelle Yeoh who pitched a Section 31 series with herself as the lead very soon after Dscovery started filming. The story is Alex Kurtzman was definitely interested, but they wanted to see how well Discovery did before committing to any spin-off series.

It's one reason you saw Alex Kurtzman constantly name dropping Michelle Yeoh's name whenever he talked about Star Trek and Star Trek Discovery.

Akiva Goldsman when he started on Discovery originally thought that the series was going to be about Christopher Pike; and when he found out it wasn't, he still was the one who pitched having the Enterprise show up at the end of Discovery season 1 with Pike in command; and that idea was worked and expanded into Discovery season 2.

When they saw that Discovery was in fact popular, Akiva Goldsman pitched doing the Christopher Pike series he thought Discovery was going to be.

At the same time CBS All Access was looking to expand and go global, and they decided to change it to Paramount Plus, and end their production and distribution deal with Netflix so that they could begin to market and stream Discovery and their other shows worldwide.

So after they bought out the Netflix contract, Alex kurtzman began development on both Strange New Worlds and a Section 31 series. They then wrote a small storyline in Discovery season 3 to set up the captain Phillipa Georgiou character to do the series. Michelle Yeoh even mentioned it herself in some interviews she did when Discovery season 3 aired.

But her star was rising and she became more in demand in Hollywood, and ultimately won an Academy Award for her role in the film Everything Everywhere All At Once; which I'm sure raised her price, and would make it hard for her to commit to a multi-season series. But she was still very much interested in doing what had been set up for Section 31; so they decided to make it a film, and use the majority of the series pilot script which they had in development.

So here we are in 2024 with principal photography on the Section 31 film completed, with Paramount Plus testing out the idea of doing Star Trek streaming films. I'm sure if the audience response is high enough, they could even consider doing a Section 31 sequel and continuing things with it that way if Michelle Yeoh is still interested.

Time will tell I guess as to how successful all this stuff is.

 

[LtChange]

So from the new Variety article we have the timeline confirmation

Spoiler: Part of the Variaty Article

In one of Kurtzman’s several production offices in Toronto, he and production designer Matthew Davies are scrutinizing a series of concept drawings for the newest “Star Trek” show, “Starfleet Academy.” A bit earlier, they showed me their plans for the series’ central academic atrium, a sprawling, two-story structure that will include a mess hall, amphitheater, trees, catwalks, multiple classrooms and a striking view of the Golden Gate Bridge in a single, contiguous space. To fit it all, they plan to use every inch of Pinewood Toronto’s 45,900 square foot soundstage, the largest in Canada.

But this is a “Star Trek” show, so there do need to be starships, and Kurtzman is discussing with Davies about how one of them should look. The issue is that “Starfleet Academy” is set in the 32nd century, an era so far into the future Kurtzman and his team need to invent much of its design language.

“For me, this design is almost too Klingon,” Kurtzman says. “I want to see the outline and instinctively, on a blink, recognize it as a Federation ship.”

 

[Tuskin38]

Kurtzman wants something recognizable as a Federation ship at a glance? GASP

 

[LtChange]

Kurtzman wants something recognizable as a Federation ship at a glance? GASP

He's making some progress?

 

[Tuskin38]

He's making some progress?

I was being sarcastic. The Fed ships under him have 99% been recognizable as being Federation.

But I'm guessing he realized some of the 32nd Century ships went a bit far.

 

[Cr0sis21]

Well, at least the Academy will be back on Earth.

Downsides: It's in the 32nd century. And the discussion of the massive new sets they built undercuts the idea that they just wanted to make use of what was already existing for Discovery.

 

[Tuskin38]

I'm sure they'll still reuse some stuff.

 

[Cr0sis21]

I'm sure they'll still reuse some stuff.

Oh, yes, I'm sure. But it isn't like what they did on Picard, certainly. I'm just saying they didn't put it in the 32nd century to save money. They clearly want to tell more stories in that time period.
That time period just never, ever really intrigued me. So my interest in the new series is way down from what it could be.

 

[fireproof78]

I'm just saying they didn't put it in the 32nd century to save money. They clearly want to tell more stories in that time period.

Well, yes and no. They can still save money with costumes, props and locations. The money saving isn't just in construction, but also in how much they have to pay the cast because after 5 years their costs go up.