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News Starfleet Academy Coming to P+

The new/old and same/different thing is tiring and dumb. There are a few immutable realities that are either good or bad depending on your biases, but they are pretty ironclad:

- The streaming marketplace is difficult if you're only concerned about profit and return on investment (which is the driving capitalist force behind the companies that make these shows)
- These companies will make things they believe people want to watch to maximize their profits
- The only way to know if they were successful (by business-minded metrics, not creative ones) is audience construction and retention (did people watch, did they keep watching and thus subscribing)
- You only know this after a show is made and released, not before, so there is considerable risk from this business (not creative) perspective
- To the business people making these decisions "more of the same" is not inherently bad or wrong, in fact it may be more desirable for them because they can rely on already built audiences
- All of this, of course, risks creative stagnation and diminishing returns

From an audience perspective, I can only speak for myself, but:

- If something is well-written, well-made, and entertaining, I could not care less if it is new, old, or "more of the same"
- I am happy when Trek shows reward my long-time fandom
- I am happy when a Trek show surprises me and gets me invested in new settings, characters, etc.
- I am more willing to accept departures from common Trek tropes and conventions when a show is well-written, well-made, and entertaining (the quintessential example of this is DS9 which is a radical departure for a lot of things in the franchise but once it found its footing was very well-written, well-made, and entertaining)

An Academy show can be good! A Legacy show can be good! I would like both and will watch them. I give all Trek a chance and a long leash. I do not know why the fanbase insists on always going to war with itself but it is exhausting.
 
Until I see a trailer I have SG-1's teen drama parody in my head as a placeholder.

- If something is well-written, well-made, and entertaining, I could not care less if it is new, old, or "more of the same"
Yep. Give me likeable characters or characters I love to hate with some depth I can invest in. If you can and the above points are all checked, I'm not going to be fussed what timeline or century it takes place in.

Honestly, this premise does little for me, but it could work. Anything could.
 
Until I see a trailer I have SG-1's teen drama parody in my head as a placeholder.

Haha! I love that whole episode.

In a way though, it kind of proves what I'm saying: that parody is a parody of BAD teen dramas. There are a lot of good ones! An academy show can be good! Right now it's Schrodinger's show: it sucks AND it doesn't. Until we see it we won't know!
 
An Academy show can be good! A Legacy show can be good! I would like both and will watch them. I give all Trek a chance and a long leash. I do not know why the fanbase insists on always going to war with itself but it is exhausting.
I'll probably watch Academy too. As for "going to war", it might be my fault because I said that canceling a show "no one wants" (i.e. Academy), that probably was too bit strong of a statement, but at the same time it was obviously hyperbolic and somewhat sarcastic (and I even later clarified it was an offhand comment, besides we know there's always at least someone who wants something), but others decided to take the comment literally (as in literally literally) and all hell broke loose.

Maybe I should quote Darth Revan from the Legends of that other star franchise here: "I am sorry I started you on this path. But you chose to continue down it." :p

And keep in mind even these comments were meant as part of a pretty serious discussion in regards to the reality of the film/tv business right now, and particularly Paramount's place in it, or to put it bluntly Paramount is bleeding money and has no actual idea how to change that right now. There might not even be room for Star Trek Legacy, even if Academy is scrapped, unless something changes drastically.
 
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An Academy show can be good! A Legacy show can be good! I would like both and will watch them. I give all Trek a chance and a long leash. I do not know why the fanbase insists on always going to war with itself but it is exhausting.
I mostly agree on this point, though no show gets a long leash from me.

Though, personally I think there is limited room for a new show on Paramount's plate, until they figure out their financial difficulties.
 
Hell, did anyone really "ask for" TNG? Granted, many wanted a TV revival for Star Trek for years, but people weren't particularly enthused about going ahead a century with a whole new crew on a whole new Enterprise. And look how that turned out.

It should be noted that a show like TNG would never be allowed to flail around for two years finding itself today. The whole entertainment ecosystem has changed too much. People expect something well-put together straight out of the gate.
 
Hell, even back then, it was only because of brand recognition TNG lasted two years flailing around like it did. Though, yeah, even today that brand recognition wouldn't get it that far.
 
It should be noted that a show like TNG would never be allowed to flail around for two years finding itself today. The whole entertainment ecosystem has changed too much. People expect something well-put together straight out of the gate.

This is very true. TNG was essentially an accident of its timing in both the franchise and the overall entertainment landscape at the time. Syndication was huge for it. If even one thing about its circumstances were different I think it would have failed. It almost did a few times! Sometimes I feel like it succeeded in spite of the people making it (not the actors, the BTS people), haha.

The whole "Ask for" thing can be weird, IMO. On the one hand, it's good when studios/creators are in tune with their target audiences. On the other, it can make for some very bad outcomes. But then it's also bad when the creators/studios are totally tone deaf. I guess it goes back to the Rule of Good: if it's good it doesn't really matter if it's asked for or not!
 
I'll probably watch Academy too. As for "going to war", it might be my fault because I said that canceling a show "no one wants" (i.e. Academy), that probably was too bit strong of a statement, but at the same time it was obviously hyperbolic and somewhat sarcastic (and I even later clarified it was an offhand comment, besides we know there's always at least someone who wants something), but others decided to take the comment literally (as in literally literally) and all hell broke loose.

Maybe I should quote Darth Revan from the Legends of that other star franchise here: "I am sorry I started you on this path. But you chose to continue down it." :p

And keep in mind even these comments were meant as part of a pretty serious discussion in regards to the reality of the film/tv business right now, and particularly Paramount's place in it, or to put it bluntly Paramount is bleeding money and has no actual idea how to change that right now. There might not even be room for Star Trek Legacy, even if Academy is scrapped, unless something changes drastically.
I mostly agree on this point, though no show gets a long leash from me.

Though, personally I think there is limited room for a new show on Paramount's plate, until they figure out their financial difficulties.

https://www.macrotrends.net/stocks/...ve months ending March,decline year-over-year.

Paramount made 10 billion dollars gross profit over the 12 months from March 31st 2022 to March 31st 2023.

I'd love to have "fincial difficulties" like Paramount.

None of the major studios are losing money. Streaming isn't profitable for most yet, because they took out debt to do so when it was cheap to do so.

And folks focus too much on Streaming profit directly, I suspect Picard Season 3 (and other Star Trek) will make massive amounts of money on the merch. I mean the money made on P3 merch could potentially pay for season 1 & 2 of Star Trek Legacy alone.
 
It should be noted that a show like TNG would never be allowed to flail around for two years finding itself today. The whole entertainment ecosystem has changed too much. People expect something well-put together straight out of the gate.
It almost didn't. When the Writer's Strike of 1988 hit; they almost decided to end production and add S1 of TNG to the original Star Trek syndication package. What changed their minds in the end to continue? - Whoopi Goldberg really wanting to get a part on the series.

the Ten-Foward set was conceived and added just because of her new character Guinan.
 
Paramount made 10 billion dollars gross profit over the 12 months from March 31st 2022 to March 31st 2023.
And what was their expenses? $27.812B which was a 5% increase over last year, and profits were declining. Its not just streaming but overall viability.
 
P+ is merging with Showtime on Tuesday:

https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/paramount-releases-statement-cancelling-whopping-145300099.html

One reason Prodigy was cancelled was that it wasn't edgy enough for the new combined P+/Showtime streaming network (it wasn't edgy enough to appeal to the Showtime Yellowjackets/American Gigolo audience).

I'm beginning to have my doubts about SFA. Short of amping up the sex and/or having a serial killer running through the halls of Starfleet Academy, how do you make it edgy enough for the Yellowjackets crowd without getting too far away from its target demographic (teenagers)?
 
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One reason Prodigy was cancelled was that it wasn't edgy enough for the new combined P+/Showtime streaming network (it wasn't edgy enough to appeal to the Showtime Yellowjackets/American Gigolo audience).
Does the article really say that? The only use of "edgy" is in the PR speak announcement.
PR flack said:
In the unified Paramount+ with Showtime plan, the Showtime portfolio of edgy, critically acclaimed programming will complement the broad and popular Paramount+ library in a seamless offering that appeals to everyone, enables more discovery between the brands and builds overall viewership. As we prepare to combine Paramount+ and Showtime later this month in the U.S., we are refining our content offering to deliver the best streaming experience for subscribers. This is consistent with our content strategy since launch and across our business, which ensures we make smart, efficient choices, informed by audience data and insights. We are removing select programming as we look to optimize Showtime’s robust slate of premium originals.
 
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